FreeWill

[Guest clancy]

29 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Yes, when a person becomes a born again Christian they still have free will. Salvation is God's work. Our motives, desires and actions are voluntary, and we are held responsible for them.

Are you talking about after we are saved?...

[Guest clancy]

17 minutes ago, Josheb said:

Can/will anyone here post any scripture that actually states and doesn't just imply the unbelieving, unregenerate sinner has an unfettered or free will? 

Anyone?

Do they have free will, the unregenerate?

not sure what you mean?

Do we have free will when we’re saved?

 

[missmuffet]

2 minutes ago, clancy said:

Are you talking about after we are saved?...

Yes

[Hopefully]

here are a few example of people having the ability to do what they want. There are a lot  more than these.
 

“But you people have sinned more than your ancestors. You are very stubborn, and you are doing only what you want to do. You are not obeying me. Because you do only what you want to do,”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭16:12‬ ‭

“They told you, “In the last times there will be people who laugh at God and do only what they want to do—things that are against God.”
‭‭Jude‬ ‭1:18‬ ‭

“You know that if you do what is right, I will accept you. But if you don’t, sin is ready to attack you. That sin will want to control you, but you must control it.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭4:7‬ ‭

“The sinful self wants what is against the Spirit, and the Spirit wants what is against the sinful self. They are always fighting against each other, so that you don’t do what you really want to do.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:17‬ ‭

“The Lord says, “Look, you people want to do whatever you want. So light your own fires and torches, but you will be punished. You will fall into your fires and torches and be burned. I will make that happen.””
‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭50:11‬ ‭

“So young people, enjoy yourselves while you are young. Be happy. Do whatever your heart leads you to do. Do whatever you want, but remember that God will judge you for everything you do.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭11:9‬ ‭

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Arrabon]

Well @missmuffet after studying this topic for many decades (43 years), yes I am nearly 80, my own conclusion that works for me, and keeps the bible in harmony and unity, is that free-will and pre-destination work together, along with the omniscience of God as part of Gods plan for humanity, as well as his plan for each of us, Jeremiah 29:11-14.

In fact the whole bible speaks in harmony and unity with itself, it's only man that has created the contradictions that man is constantly battling over.

I am so thankful that through the Holy Spirit that the "old in faith", as many are here, have Gods truths revealed to them through much dedicated study over many many decades.

Job 12:12

Wisdom is with the aged,
And with long life comes understanding.

Proverbs 16:31

A gray head is a crown of glory;
It is found in the way of righteousness.

Yes, both free-will and pre-destination work together, but most will disagree for their lack of Godly knowledge, humility and wisdom, and their generous amount of ego and arrogance.

My name is Arrabon.

Edited June 20, 2021 by Arrabon

[Heleadethme]

6 hours ago, clancy said:

Makes sense, ...doesn’t God want us to be more like His Son, Jesus?...isn’t that the work of the Holy Spirit that indwells us?

What is the role of the Holy Spirit,who indwells a born again?

 

 

 

 

Amen.  To be like Jesus the Son of Man, who said to the Father, "not my will, but thy will be done".  Jesus had a will and He subjected it to the Father's will....setting the example for us, so yes, looks like we come with a will that we can exercise.

[Guest clancy]

6 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen.  To be like Jesus the Son of Man, who said to the Father, "not my will, but thy will be done".  Jesus had a will and He subjected it to the Father's will....setting the example for us, so yes, looks like we come with a will that we can exercise.

Do you mean we exercise it, to do the will of God Sis?

Not My will Lord, Your will be done?

when I wake in the morning, go before me Lord, let my flesh not take over?

Let me submit to the Holy Spirit...

Edited June 20, 2021 by clancy

[Heleadethme]

30 minutes ago, clancy said:

Do you mean we exercise it, to do the will of God Sis?

Not My will Lord, Your will be done?

when I wake in the morning, go before me Lord, let my flesh not take over?

Let me submit to the Holy Spirit...

Amen....that is beautifully said sister.  That's what i believe too, and it's His Spirit within us that makes us desire to and be willing to subject our will to His.

Though I also believe that there are times when the Lord may exercise His will upon us without our specific consent, eg, when He translated Phillip to another place.  I'm guessing the Lord just did that spontaneously without Phillip's prior knowledge or consent.   Or perhaps in shielding someone from harm miraculously in a car accident for example.  Things like that.

Times when the Lord may harden someone's heart too....the bible says He holds the hearts of kings in His hands.  But generally He allows us to exercise our own will most of the time, and doesnt' go against our will, unless in His wisdom He deems it necessary.

 

[Guest clancy]

10 minutes ago, Heleadethme said:

Amen....that is beautifully said sister.  That's what i believe too, and it's His Spirit within us that makes us desire to and be willing to subject our will to His.

Though I also believe that there are times when the Lord may exercise His will upon us without our specific consent, eg, when He translated Phillip to another place.  I'm guessing the Lord just did that spontaneously without Phillip's prior knowledge or consent.   Or perhaps in shielding someone from harm miraculously in a car accident for example.  Things like that.

Times when the Lord may harden someone's heart too....the bible says He holds the hearts of kings in His hands.  But generally He allows us to exercise our own will most of the time, and doesnt' go against our will, unless in His wisdom He deems it necessary.

 

Understand everything you say here,Sis....Amen!!!.

[steve morrow]

PRAYER  ???

WHEN  DOES  GOD  PUT  INTO  ACTION  HIS  WILL

JOHN 14:14 --if-- you shall ask anything in MY name I will do it

 

1 JOHN 5:13  these things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the ---SON  OF  GOD---that you may know that you have eternal life and that you may believe on the name of ---THE  SON  OFF  GOD---

--5:14-- and this is the confidence that we have in  HIM  that --if-- we ask anything according to  HIS  will  HE  heareth us 

--5:15-- and if we know that  HE  hear us whatsoever we ask we know that we have the petitions that we desired of  HIM

 

MATTHEW 6:33  seek you first the kingdom of  GOD  and  HIS  righteousness and all these  things  shall be added unto you

ACTS 5:32  and we are witnesses of these things and so is the holy spirit---whom GOD  hath given to them ---that obey him---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JEUS  CHRIST