Uriah Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) BTW i am not trying to "win the argument". I have posted scriptural evidence that refutes an error. I want only the truth on the matter. An ANCIENT SOURCE would be appreciated. Also, there is NO personal attack coming from me, nor did I make any accusations against you. You made a claim, I looked into it. I found nothing of what you said of an ancient document. Just authors citing other authors. Edited June 29, 2019 by Uriah additional info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoot Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,192 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 429 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1957 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Uriah said: Coot, I haven't seen it. I am sure you can post the evidence. The book you referenced is online, maybe you have a pager number? I maintain that I have not seen it posted by pre trib believers. C'mon bro, break the long spell. Amazon is always a good place to check. Many books there by both Arnold Fruchtenbaum and Alfred Edesheim. AE probably delves into more detail on social life in the first century. Edited June 29, 2019 by OldCoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just now, OldCoot said: Amazon is always a good place to check. The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah by Alfred Edersheim (PDF) Just leave me a page number, I'll check it out in a while. http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF Books/The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldCoot Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 4 Topic Count: 13 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 1,192 Content Per Day: 0.48 Reputation: 429 Days Won: 0 Joined: 06/29/2017 Status: Offline Birthday: 01/12/1957 Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Uriah said: The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah by Alfred Edersheim (PDF) Just leave me a page number, I'll check it out in a while. http://www.ntslibrary.com/PDF Books/The Life and Times of Jesus the Messiah.pdf You are on your own. I pointed you in the right direction but you will have to go further on your own. Another good one by Alfred Efersheim is “Sketches In Jewish Social Life” that also deals with the marriage ritual. Edited June 29, 2019 by OldCoot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 (edited) 58 minutes ago, OldCoot said: You are on your own. I pointed you in the right direction but you will have to go further on your own. Another good one by Alfred Efersheim is “Sketches In Jewish Social Life” that also deals with the marriage ritual. Will check that it out too. As for the first one, a secret snatching away cannot be found. It is mostly commentary that is not referenced. A "Jewish parable" is discussed a bit and called a "preversion" ( manipulation) as the Talmudic rabbis are very prone to write at length to insert their views on scripture. NONE of it is scripture. Edited June 29, 2019 by Uriah extra sentence Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 Of course there is a pre trib rapture. It is our hope in glory. After the work of of the cross, we are graced with the only requirement of belief. And God does that for us. So many trust in their own fortitude and good works. Nay I say. It is a complete work of God. Because He knows from the foundation of the earth whom He will choose. He knows dark from light, evil from good. Some people are dark and evil from before they were born perhaps. God knows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 30 minutes ago, Kristin said: Of course there is a pre trib rapture. It is our hope in glory. After the work of of the cross, we are graced with the only requirement of belief. And God does that for us. So many trust in their own fortitude and good works. Nay I say. It is a complete work of God. Because He knows from the foundation of the earth whom He will choose. He knows dark from light, evil from good. Some people are dark and evil from before they were born perhaps. God knows. Hi Kristin, I'd be glad to take a look at any scriptural evidence you provide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Uriah said: Hi Kristin, I'd be glad to take a look at any scriptural evidence you provide. Ok. I drive a truck and only have a phone, but I will give scripture to back my belief. Give me a bit a time though. Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uriah Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 5 Topic Count: 11 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 1,364 Content Per Day: 0.58 Reputation: 277 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/03/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 Just now, Kristin said: Ok. I drive a truck and only have a phone, but I will give scripture to back my belief. Give me a bit a time though. Thank you. No problem, take your time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin Posted June 29, 2019 Group: Senior Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 27 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 875 Content Per Day: 0.41 Reputation: 757 Days Won: 1 Joined: 06/04/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Uriah said: No problem, take your time. I would direct you to Through the Bible with Les Feldick. I used to be so sad and confused about everything. Give it a look. I’m no theologian but I know the truth when I see it. Please look at his bible study. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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