Defense of the Pre Trib Rapture

[Montana Marv]

The foolish virgins could on the way to the store now.

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

[Montana Marv]

5 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The BRIDEGROOM CANT come BEFORE the virgins go to buy

OR ELSE HE DOESN'T KNOW WHO TO SHUT THE DOOR ON.  

They have to be PROVEN worthy.  DID they pick up the cross and follow Him

News Alert:  10:15 pm tonight

Five Virgins enter store and buy out all Lamp oil and Wicks.  Nations goes into panic buying.  What's next T.P. gone.

Breaking news: 2am that night.

Many people have just disappeared, gone; some say UFO's were reported, but cannot be confirmed.

Breaking News 6 am,

Homes across nation are being ransacked, taking food, guns, clothes, furniture. A few cars gone.

6 pm Rome time

European leaders meet to handle unusual circumstances.

Russia sends massive troops toward Israel.

Urgent News 6pm following day - 5 European leader slain in Rome, will be laid to rest tomorrow and have viewing for 5 days.

Following day breaking news. Cloud by day and pillar of fire at night repels invasion,  5/6's are killed.

Next day Urgent New - Antonio Christ-berg a Polish Jew from Hungary just sat up from his casket.

This is how quickly things can happen once the five foolish Virgins leave next week to go buy oil for their Lamps.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

37 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

News Alert:  10:15 pm tonight

Five Virgins enter store and buy out all Lamp oil and Wicks.  Nations goes into panic buying.  What's next T.P. gone.

Breaking news: 2am that night.

Many people have just disappeared, gone; some say UFO's were reported, but cannot be confirmed.

Breaking News 6 am,

Homes across nation are being ransacked, taking food, guns, clothes, furniture. A few cars gone.

6 pm Rome time

European leaders meet to handle unusual circumstances.

Russia sends massive troops toward Israel.

Urgent News 6pm following day - 5 European leader slain in Rome, will be laid to rest tomorrow and have viewing for 5 days.

Following day breaking news. Cloud by day and pillar of fire at night repels invasion,  5/6's are killed.

Next day Urgent New - Antonio Christ-berg a Polish Jew from Hungary just sat up from his casket.

This is how quickly things can happen once the five foolish Virgins leave next week to go buy oil for their Lamps.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Still doesn't change the fact that the image is set up

AND BOTH WISE AND FOOLISH 

are present.

MAKING PRE TRIB RAPTURE IMPOSSIBLE TO SELL through this outlet.  




 

Edited March 28, 2023 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

The foolish virgins could on the way to the store now.

In Christ 

Montana Marv 

If they wish to become a part of the wise, let's pray they are. 

MAYBE they are reading this right now and the 'shopping' they are doing is in the words of God, in the BIBLE, 


because that's the only place the oil that keeps the lamp lit (that keeps one out of the darkness of that little season) is to be found.  




 

 

[Montana Marv]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Still doesn't change the fact that the image is set up

AND BOTH WISE AND FOOLISH 

are present.

MAKING PRE TRIB RAPTURE IMPOSSIBLE TO SELL through this outlet.  




 

Nowhere in Matt 25:1-13 is it suggested that "an image is set up".  Not Fact    Nowhere does it suggest that they have the MOB on them.  Not There

Thus making this time frame in or around Post-Trib, just a stab in the dark. A vivid imagination for some people to try to make their position correct.

Yet, these same 10 virgins can still buy and sell right now.  These five foolish virgins can go to Walmart tonight and pick up supplies if they run out.  They can go in a week and purchase supplies.

The number one, uno position is Pre-Trib. because it can happen right now and not 7 years from now.  No waiting, no Mark, no Image; they can buy and sell now.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[DeighAnn]

33 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

Nowhere in Matt 25:1-13 is it suggested that "an image is set up".  Not Fact    Nowhere does it suggest that they have the MOB on them.  Not There

Thus making this time frame in or around Post-Trib, just a stab in the dark. A vivid imagination for some people to try to make their position correct.

Yet, these same 10 virgins can still buy and sell right now.  These five foolish virgins can go to Walmart tonight and pick up supplies if they run out.  They can go in a week and purchase supplies.

The number one, uno position is Pre-Trib. because it can happen right now and not 7 years from now.  No waiting, no Mark, no Image; they can buy and sell now.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Still doesn't change the fact that the image is set up

AND BOTH WISE AND FOOLISH 

are present.

MAKING PRE TRIB RAPTURE IMPOSSIBLE TO SELL through this outlet.  

 

 

[farouk]

11 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Still doesn't change the fact that the image is set up

AND BOTH WISE AND FOOLISH 

are present.

MAKING PRE TRIB RAPTURE IMPOSSIBLE TO SELL through this outlet.  

 

 

There does seem to be a distinction between the church and tribulation saints.

Matthew 24.21 seems to be about a unique period on earth, not the sort of tribulation that we go through daily.

[DeighAnn]

36 minutes ago, farouk said:

There does seem to be a distinction between the church and tribulation saints.

Matthew 24.21 seems to be about a unique period on earth, not the sort of tribulation that we go through daily.

What is that distinction?  

They won't have come to faith by hearing the words of God. 
They won't have 'hope' because of things unseen
They will not have put on the gospel armor
They won't know they can't worship the image nor take the mark of the beast
They won't know the two witnesses are GOD SENT
They won't know the whole world is being deceived

distinctions like that? 

or 

That CHRISTS REPRESENTATIVES who have the words that can bring about salvation are taken out to basically leave those with no wisdom or knowledge of GOD, at the same time SENDING those most dedicated to 'taking' souls as merchandise in.  

That is what you see as being the BEST PLAN GOD could come up with?  For what?  the demise of the most souls ever?

How will they know not to take the mark of the beast?  Will they even feel tribulation, like they are between a rock and a hard place?  Who would stop them from believing the LYING SIGNS AND WONDERS first?

They would be in a world gone mad, in which an IMAGE capable of those miraculous signs and wonders never before seen, is quickly set up.  A world that within 3 1/2 years has become a place of peace and safety, everyone having the same government, deity, money, prosperity...

a world that almost FEELS like heaven on earth...and once those 2 lying witnesses are killed it and the world rejoicing ...



Where do these 'trib saints' come from?  FEAR?  Obviously, they have never 'been of us' or they wouldn't be 'trib saints' at all?  Right?  

Maybe if everyone who tries to push through the pre trib would answer the hard questions, it would be different...but no one can because no one knows ANYTHING because NONE of it is written.  It's the blind leading the blind.

What 'other than the church being 'raptured'' is GIVEN by GOD to those who are to 'become the pre trib saints' 

WHAT DO THE WORDS OF GOD SAY TO THEM? What instructions has He left THEM FOR the super quick coming to understanding before they are marked 'saints'?
 Where in the words of God are their instructions?   Or is this just yet ANOTHER PLACE that absolutely nothing is written.  How many places does nothing have to be found until it is no longer believed?


You do realize we have people here who claim to have been 'in prophesy' well over 30 years, who still haven't got it.  

And how is it THESE SAINTS are going to come to understanding while DECEPTION runs freely over the entire world, when WE CAN'T DO IT EVEN NOW?  

It isn't so much the SAME questions answered with the same non answers that are becoming the problem, but ALL THE QUESTIONS that have no answers and the many more questions that are coming.  

GOD who gives DETAILS on EVERYTHING dating back almost 6 thousand years down to how animals' hooves are parted

Doesn't give ONE SPECIFIC WORD

1. about returning BEFORE Satan comes and IN FACT speaks directly against

2. about who He would be returning for, qualifications, state of conversion

3.  about how their sins will be forgiven so as they can go before God and not be burnt to a crisp, a line to repent??

4.  about what will take place on earth as it happens, after it happens

5. about where the 'bride' will go in heaven, what the bride will do.  We are told about those who have DIED on His behalf, they are UNDER THE ALTAR, yet not one hint as to the 'church'.  

6  but for the BIGGEST MIRACLE OF ALL TIME, the ONE THAT WILL CHANGE THE ENTIRE FACE OF THE PLANET, crickets. 


So a couple billion people disappear, all those with any knowledge of Gods Truth and those who have rejected GOD now 'know' they shouldn't have, get ahold of a bible and start to study and within that time, in that world, they are to not only learn all they need to know but to gather enough EXTRA OIL that they don't need to  worship the image AS THOSE say there has to be a pre trib because the XTRA oil can't be gathered now.  

You see, EVERYONE gets to make up ANYTHING at any time and NO ONE can prove them right or wrong because THERE IS NOTHING WRITTEN.  

It's like it doesn't even EXIST.  Do you REALIZE that without a pre trib doctrine the words of God SPEAK to EVERYTHING of God and everything of God in detail and perfecly?  No 'seems like', 'must be's' or 'wouldn't do that' s put forth for doctrine,

but STAND, OVERCOME, endure to the end...

No more questions as to who 'pick up your cross and follow Me' applies to and who it will not. 

No more questions as to when THE END is.  The end is simply the end of the age FOR EVERYONE.  All saints endure to the SAME END. 


How much of this WOULD BE YOUR best PLAN of SALVATION?  When you pray on Gods Plan do you say THIS IS THE BEST PLAN EVER for bringing about Gods desire.

He spends 6 thousand years building up an army to withstand what is coming, giving them the best and quickest access to TRUTH AND WISDOM AND KNOWLEDGE from all those years, then right as the enemy comes to battle,

disappears them all

and replace them with 2 witnesses and a world void of all other knowledge.

 

11Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD:

12And they shall wander from sea to sea, and from the north even to the east, they shall run to and fro to seek the word of the LORD, and shall not find it.

13In that day shall the fair virgins and young men faint for thirst.

14They that swear by the sin of Samaria, and say, Thy god, O Dan, liveth; and, The manner of Beersheba liveth; even they shall fall, and never rise up again.


Having to stop and start a bunch of times this is probably way messed up but I really can't bring myself to read it again or to correct it.  I'm sure you can 'read what isn't written' and figure it out what I mean anyhow.  Please stop addressing me with the 'one verse' oneline hints suggesting 'pre trib' is ok.  I am WAY PAST not believing in any of it, and given any choice at all, I am seeking to lose my life here, not to save it.  I would rather be left behind and suffer Satans wrath than risk suffering Gods.  I have extra oil and know how to call upon the promises and have no fear, rest in peace.  Maybe that is just another perk of the 'xtra oil'.  

[farouk]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

What is that distinction?  

 

@DeighAnn There is nothing new about this sort of discussion.

In my humble impression, there is a distinction about what and who is in view in these two verses: 1) 1 Corinthians 11.26 and 2)Matthew 24.21.

1) "For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come."

2) "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

[Montana Marv]

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Where do these 'trib saints' come from?  FEAR?  Obviously, they have never 'been of us' or they wouldn't be 'trib saints' at all?  Right? 

Not at all.

Let's look at the future of those who believe as you do.  First hand witnessing of and or first hand experiencing of:

2nd Seal - to take peace from the earth and to make men slay each other.

3rd Seal - Famine, a quart of wheat for  a day's wage, and 3 quarts of barley.

4th Seal - 1/4th of those on earth are killed by sword, famine, and plague.

6th Seal - Great earthquake, every island and mountain was removed from its place.

1st Trumpet - 1/3rd of the earth was burned up, 1/3 of the trees, all green grass burned.

2nd Trumpet - 1/3rd of the sea turned to blood, 1/3rd of sea creatures die.

3rd Trumpet - 1/3rd of the waters turned bitter.

4th Trumpet - 1/3 of sun, moon and stars struck

5th Trumpet - Locust out of the Abyss, torment for 5 months for those without the seal of God on their foreheads.

6th Trumpet - Army of 200 Million come out from the East to kill 1/3rd of mankind.  The rest of mankind did not repent and kept on worshiping demons and idols.

7th Trumpet - But in the days of the 7th trumpet, the mystery of God will be accomplished.

1st Bowl - Painful sores broke out on those with the MOB.

2nd Bowl - All the seas turn to blood, all sea creatures die.

3rd Bowl - 1/3rd of the rivers and springs turn to blood.

4th Bowl - And the sun was given power to scorch people, but they refused to repent.

5th Bowl - The Beast's kingdom was thrown into darkness.

6th Bowl - The River Euphrates dries up to prepare the army of 200 Million to cross.

7th Bowl - The greatest of all earthquakes; every island fled, and no more mountains, and hailstones fell.  One land mass, Jerusalem is now the top peak on earth, as it was during the Garden of Eden. Living water flows out from it.

Then when in Heaven, some of your Believing great, great, great grand parents will ask you; why did you go through all of this, what did you achieve.  They will say, we achieved everything by the time we died.

And many Post-Trib Believers will be an eye witness to all of the this calamity.  Where oh where will you escape to and not be a fatality.

In Christ

Montana Marv