Multiple Wives

[Guest LadyC]

Maybey you have confused me with someone else?

hmmmm, it looks like maybe i do have you confused with someone else. now i'm gonna have to go back through and figure out who i'm talking about. sorry!

[firehill]

Maybey you have confused me with someone else?

hmmmm, it looks like maybe i do have you confused with someone else. now i'm gonna have to go back through and figure out who i'm talking about. sorry!

That's okay! Quite a long thread to have to go back through huh!

[Guest LadyC]

whysoblind and butero, i think it's time maybe we give up. some people read what they want to read in the bible and make claims that are not scripturally supported. we've given scriptures, they've tried to explain it away with arguments that are not in the bible.

there are some people who will always try to put God in a box that fits their understanding. it doesn't make them bad people, and honestly i'm sure we're all guilty of it to some degree on one issue or another.

david had multiple wives. God gave those wives to him, and when david committed adultry, God said He would have given him more wives if the ones he had hadn't been enough. God allowed multiple marriage for commoners as a way to protect women and also the lineage of their deceased husbands. onan was struck down by God because he refused to be obedient in providing the brother's wife who onan was commanded to take as a wife because he didn't want to split his children's inheritance. time and time again we see biblical patriarchs who had multiple wives, and whom God blessed. whether He blessed them in spite of their multiple wives or because of them is irrelevant. polygamy was not and is not a sin, and God doesn't "wink". we've all presented that truth. those who want to reject it aren't going to change our minds anymore than we will change theirs. in the end, it's not essential to our salvation.

so that being said, i think i'm gonna bow out. would ya'll like to join me?

[Guest shiloh357]

onan was struck down by God because he refused to be obedient in providing the brother's wife who onan was commanded to take as a wife because he didn't want to split his children's inheritance. time and time again we see biblical patriarchs who had multiple wives, and whom God blessed.

You, as you continue to do, try to apply to the issue of polygamy, situations in the Bible that are not really material to discussion. Onan's brother was Er. Er was wicked before the Lord, and the Lord put him to death. Onan was not married. Judah commanded Onan to going to the deceased man's tent and provide offspring for him. Onan went into the tent and spilt his seed on the ground, and God killed him too. Where you see an argument in favor of polygamy in THAT story, is a mystery.

You keep getting stories in the Bible confused (like you did with wives of David who were violated in public by Absalom), and on top of that, you try to apply them to an issue like polygamy with which they have nothing to do.

If you can't even frame the argument using the right Scriptures, then perhaps it is good idea that you have decided to bow out. So far, all you can show that God has blessed certain people who also happened to be polygamists. What you have failed to show, is that God blesses polygamy, and the blessings those men received were the result of polygamy. You also cannot provide anything where polygamy was ordained by God. The fact remains that it is a very cruel (to the woman) and less than proper marriage arrangement. God, from the beginning, ordained it to be one man and one woman in marriage, period. There are no substitutes that stand on equal footing with God's ordained blueprint for marriage.

[Guest LadyC]

i'm not certain if onan was married at the time he spilt his seed on the ground, but he did so because he didn't want to share his children's inheritance. so if he was not married at the time, he had been. my apologies if i'm incorrect on THIS story.

but no, i'm not confusing the story of david's wives being given to someone else with whom would sleep with his wives in broad daylight. it's right there in the passage which has been posted here a dozen times.

shiloh, you can twist and manipulate scripture all you want. i wasn't even talking to you, who by the way referred to those on this board who were disagreeing with you as advocating polygamy, which is not correct, and which did indeed include me. i was talking to butero and whysoblind appealing to them to bow out and let you happily believe you've had the final say. you have no say actually, because God's word is the only word that counts. not yours, not mine. but since you're so determined to win an argument, i was recommending we step aside so you can 'triumph'.

and i would have stayed out had you not made yet another false accusation, this time unmistakably aimed directly at me.

[Guest shiloh357]

i'm not certain if onan was married at the time he spilt his seed on the ground, but he did so because he didn't want to share his children's inheritance. so if he was not married at the time, he had been.

How do you know he had been married? Where does it say that? And here you are accusing me of saying things that are not in the Bible. Again, there is no mention of Onan having a wife, and that being the case it does not speak to the issue of polygamy, and does not belong in this discussion.

i'm not confusing the story of david's wives being given to someone else with whom would sleep with his wives in broad daylight. it's right there in the passage which has been posted here a dozen times.

Yes, but the point is that it had nothing to do with polygamy. You are again applying a passage to an issue that is completely foreign to it. Absalom's sin was that of humiliating his father and defying his father's "kingship" in the sight of the people. That is all it was. It was an act of defamation and outright public defiance. It was not a ploygamous act.

and i would have stayed out had you not made yet another false accusation, this time unmistakably aimed directly at me.

It was not a false accusation, but quite accurate seeing that you are taking any Scripture that you can find and trying to make it fit into polygamy.

because God's word is the only word that counts.

Yes, and you and others have so aptly demonstrated for me, polygamy has a very weak justification where the Bible is concerned. The failure to produce ONE Scripture that shows God blessing a polygamous union by virtue of that particular type of union only re-enforces my point.

[Guest LadyC]

PS, if anyone else would like to read for themselves about david and his wives, read 2 samuel 12. actually, read all of first and second samuel. it clearly talks about him marrying two women and later taking additional wives.

[Guest LadyC]

that would be you trying to take scripture and twist it to fit your view of how God should have ordered things. go study 1 & 2 samuel. as i said, my apologies if I AM WRONG on the issue of onan. i'm not wrong on the issue of david.

argue with yourself if you'd like shiloh. i have things to do with the rest of my day which will prevent me from being further drawn into a debate with you in which i've already expressed my desire to bow out and let you have your way.

[Guest shiloh357]

PS, if anyone else would like to read for themselves about david and his wives, read 2 samuel 12. actually, read all of first and second samuel. it clearly talks about him marrying two women and later taking additional wives.

Actually the passage does not address that at all. It refers to the death of his first child with Bathsheba.

i'm not wrong on the issue of david.

Yes you are. God only gave to David Ahinoam the wife of Saul,and Rizpah, Saul's concubine. They never bored David any children and there is no record of them having relations with David. They are in fact not mentioned in Scripture again. They had no place of prominance.

The other wives of David, the ones he DID have children with, and two that he acutually had to rescue in battle, were not recorded as having been given to him by God.

[angels4u]

Shiloh, I don't think anybody really wants to listen to sound and Godly advice, exept a few.

Thank you so much for all the time you spend to make people understand that pologamy is and was never pleasing to the Lord and that it never got blessed. God gave Adam a wife and not wifes.

But if you see how much trouble their is in the life style of pologamy , I don't think you can say its a personal blessing, God will can use any circumstansis for good if He wants too, but that does not mean he is blessing the lifestyle of pologamy.

Thanks

Angels:)