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7 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I don't desire marriage but this doesn't mean that others ought to feel the same way

I agree with this. Those who wish to marry are free to marry, and those who wish to remain single are free to remain single.

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Typically, abuse can be many things.   Abuse can be mental, physical, even committing adultery is abusive to the partner who is being faithful.   And generally speaking, when someone is mentally abusive, they can also be physically abusive or having an affair and doing other things their partner is unaware of.   So I think to say abuse is not listed in the Bible as a reason for divorce is not looking at all what abuse really is.   When we look at the reason Yeshua gave for divorce, adultery, that is still abuse to the marriage.   I am not trying to broaden what the Bible states here, but I think, if we take what adultery is as in how and what feelings the faithful partner is going through while their mate is committing adultery, then abuse fits the same role as adultery.   If marriage is an institution created by God, where the idea is for 2 people to work together giving all they have to one another trying to make it work.   Then if one is mentally abusive, physically abusive, committing adultery, the one suffering is most likely suffering the same in all categories covered by abuse.   


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Love is biblical.  When we come to Christ do we linger on the sins of the old man?  If you love a good woman, does her past really matter?  If you think divorce is a sin, surely you beleive that the grace of God through Jesus Christ is sufficient to forgive that sin.

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21 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

As far as I know, no. I'm not aware that abuse is grounds for remarriage (Matthew 19:9).

Matt. 19:9 (Darby) But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, not for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery; and he who marries one put away commits adultery.

Matthew is the gospel with the most Jewish flavour.

This verse contains the so-called "exception clause" for remarriage; however, under Jewish law, betrothal (not only full marriage) was legally binding and the betrothed, who was called "wife", could only be put away by divorce;  also, under Jewish law, only the man was allowed to divorce.

The word translated "fornication" here is a general word for sexual immorality (i.e. including before marriage) and not the word for adultery, which would have been the correct word, if the putting away of the wife referred to full marriage.

The equivalent passage in Luke (the gospel most suited to Gentiles) does not have the "exception clause", probably since the Gentile nations did not have the Jewish betrothal laws.

Luke 16:18 (Darby) Every one who puts away his wife and marries another commits adultery; and every one that marries one put away from a husband commits adultery. 


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10 hours ago, Logostician said:

Love is biblical.  When we come to Christ do we linger on the sins of the old man?  If you love a good woman, does her past really matter?  If you think divorce is a sin, surely you beleive that the grace of God through Jesus Christ is sufficient to forgive that sin.

This thread is about marrying a divorcee, not about divorce on its own. 

Jesus says that marrying a divorcee is adultery.  We either believe him or call him a liar, there is no third option.

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13 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Matt. 19:9 (Darby) But I say unto you, that whosoever shall put away his wife, not for fornication, and shall marry another, commits adultery; and he who marries one put away commits adultery.

Matthew is the gospel with the most Jewish flavour.

This verse contains the so-called "exception clause" for remarriage; however, under Jewish law, betrothal (not only full marriage) was legally binding and the betrothed, who was called "wife", could only be put away by divorce;  also, under Jewish law, only the man was allowed to divorce.

The word translated "fornication" here is a general word for sexual immorality (i.e. including before marriage) and not the word for adultery, which would have been the correct word, if the putting away of the wife referred to full marriage.

The equivalent passage in Luke (the gospel most suited to Gentiles) does not have the "exception clause", probably since the Gentile nations did not have the Jewish betrothal laws.

Luke 16:18 (Darby) Every one who puts away his wife and marries another commits adultery; and every one that marries one put away from a husband commits adultery. 

I just read what Jesus said and try to obey.


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1 Cor. 6:9-11: “Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men . . . will inherit God’s kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.” (This emphasizes the seriousness of the matter. Unrepentant adulterers will have no part in God’s Kingdom. Yet, people who formerly committed adultery, perhaps even improperly getting remarried, can gain God’s forgiveness and a clean standing with him if they are genuinely repentant and exercise faith in the sin-atoning value of Jesus’ sacrifice.)
 


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“I tell you that whoever divorces his wife, except for the problem of sexual sin, and marries another woman is guilty of adultery.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭19:9‬ 

After reading this it looks to me it’s only okay to marry a divorcee who divorced for the reason of sexual sin. 
 

I think this applies to the innocent party not the one who sexually sinned and caused the divorce.

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10 minutes ago, BibleStudent100 said:

1 Cor. 6:9-11: “Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men . . . will inherit God’s kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean, but you have been sanctified, but you have been declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God.” (This emphasizes the seriousness of the matter. Unrepentant adulterers will have no part in God’s Kingdom. Yet, people who formerly committed adultery, perhaps even improperly getting remarried, can gain God’s forgiveness and a clean standing with him if they are genuinely repentant and exercise faith in the sin-atoning value of Jesus’ sacrifice.)
 

Yes: adultery is not the unforgivable sin; however, repentance means turning from the sin, not saying sorry, then continuing in it.

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4 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Yes: adultery is not the unforgivable sin; however, repentance means turning from the sin, not saying sorry, then continuing in it.

I agree.

“Jesus continued to say to all of them, “Any of you who want to be my follower must stop thinking about yourself and what you want. You must be willing to carry the cross that is given to you every day for following me. Any of you who try to save the life you have will lose it. But you who give up your life for me will save it. It is worth nothing for you to have the whole world if you yourself are destroyed or lost.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭9:23-25‬ ‭

When we repent sin sometimes it causes us to loose parts of our lives such as relationships. A prostitute who wants to repent would have to give up his/her job. A repentant drug addict would loose friends.

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