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1 minute ago, Sparks said:

All the Covid vaccines are experimental.

It is true that all available in the US are currently under Emergency Use Authorization. However, over 158,000,000 Americans have been fully vaccinated and there have been - to the best of my knowledge - 3 deaths that have been officially determined to be due to vaccination. On the other hand, there have been over 600,000 Americans deaths that have been officially determined to be due to COVID.

Could the actual vaccine death count be higher and the actual COVID death count be lower? Sure. But when you look at 600,000 vs 3, there really isn't sufficient reason to avoid vaccination in the US.


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2 minutes ago, Slug1 said:

Hooah. All that is digested is the propaganda and what NEEDS to be heard, falls on deaf ears.

I've asked repeatedly for evidence (facts and information) regarding vaccines used in the US (thus, actually related to the OP). All that has been presented in this thread is derision and Eric Clapton. Folks, this isn't evidence.


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1 minute ago, one.opinion said:

It is true that all available in the US are currently under Emergency Use Authorization. However, over 158,000,000 Americans have been fully vaccinated and there have been - to the best of my knowledge - 3 deaths that have been officially determined to be due to vaccination. On the other hand, there have been over 600,000 Americans deaths that have been officially determined to be due to COVID.

Could the actual vaccine death count be higher and the actual COVID death count be lower? Sure. But when you look at 600,000 vs 3, there really isn't sufficient reason to avoid vaccination in the US.

Let's try something... is there a resource confirming your post, or do you expect me to look it up myself ;)

Point being, of those numbers concerning deaths in the USA, are those numbers died "with" covid or died "from" covid?

Did you ever notice how the news was broadcasting the numbers of death "from" Covid to broadcasting deaths "with" covid? Not many noticed this.


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3 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

It is true that all available in the US are currently under Emergency Use Authorization. However, over 158,000,000 Americans have been fully vaccinated and there have been - to the best of my knowledge - 3 deaths that have been officially determined to be due to vaccination. On the other hand, there have been over 600,000 Americans deaths that have been officially determined to be due to COVID.

Could the actual vaccine death count be higher and the actual COVID death count be lower? Sure. But when you look at 600,000 vs 3, there really isn't sufficient reason to avoid vaccination in the US.

The problem is that its not to the best of your knowledge.  You have have seen the evidence of 6000+ deaths, but ignore it. 

Here is a visual I posted on another thread to you. 

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2 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

I've asked repeatedly for evidence (facts and information) regarding vaccines used in the US (thus, actually related to the OP). All that has been presented in this thread is derision and Eric Clapton. Folks, this isn't evidence.

My posts aren't about providing evidence, my posts are pointing out how those suffering from taking "the jab" are suffering from negative effects due to a "drug" that is presently experimental. 


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4 minutes ago, Slug1 said:

Let's try something... is there a resource confirming your post, or do you expect me to look it up myself ;)

I've already shown you the evidence of 3 deaths due to the vaccine. Here is a link showing the number of deaths that medical examiners and other experts have attributed to COVID - https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/united-states

5 minutes ago, Slug1 said:

Point being, of those numbers concerning deaths in the USA, are those numbers died "with" covid or died "from" covid?

If you have some facts and information to show why the 600,000 American death toll from COVID is incorrect, it would be appropriate to present it. You would need to demonstrate why the medical examiners are wrong.


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5 minutes ago, Slug1 said:

My posts aren't about providing evidence

Yes, this is abundantly clear.

6 minutes ago, Slug1 said:

my posts are pointing out how those suffering from taking "the jab" are suffering from negative effects due to a "drug" that is presently experimental.

Yes, there are very real serious adverse reactions to the vaccinations. This is obviously not good. However, the number of people dealing with these serious adverse reactions in the US is very low. Compared to the number of people that have suffered, become debilitated, or died from COVID, there is really no reasonable comparison.


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25 minutes ago, Sparks said:

The problem is that its not to the best of your knowledge.  You have have seen the evidence of 6000+ deaths, but ignore it. 

I've never ignored it. I've shown you why it isn't evidence of what you think it is.

https://covid-101.org/science/how-many-people-have-died-from-the-vaccine-in-the-u-s/

Over 309 million vaccine doses were given in the US as of June 7, 2021. The vaccines have been proven to be safe and effective. Vaccination is happening under the most intensive safety monitoring in U.S. history.

How do we know if someone dies after getting a vaccine?

The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) requires vaccination providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). When these reports are received, doctors from CDC and FDA review death certificates, autopsies, and medical records to understand what happened with each person.

How many people have died after getting a vaccine?

Between December 2020 and June 7th, 2021, VAERS received 5,208 reports of death (0.0017%) among people who got a vaccine. Doctors and safety monitors carefully review the details of each case to see if it might be linked to the vaccine. There are three deaths that appear to be linked to blood clots that occurred after people got the J&J vaccine. Since we now know how to correctly treat people who develop these blood clots, future deaths related to this very rare side effect can be prevented. By way of comparison, getting COVID-19 while unvaccinated poses a grave risk; as of June 14, 2021 more than 599,000 deaths have been attributed to the virus in the US alone.

After careful review of the additional data, doctors have decided that there is no evidence at all that the vaccines contributed to the other patient deaths. Nonetheless, the CDC and FDA will continue to investigate every single report of death (and other adverse events) reported to VAERS.


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2 hours ago, one.opinion said:

I've never ignored it. I've shown you why it isn't evidence of what you think it is.

I have shown you why it is evidence.  You just have a difficult time accepting that deaths happen due to vaccines, and struggle to believe the evidence.

I myself struggle with doctors claiming that a person died by Covid 19 when it was really the high speed impact of their motorcycle into a bridge support ended their life instantly, and not Covid 19.


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59 minutes ago, Sparks said:

I have shown you why it is evidence.  You just have a difficult time accepting that deaths happen due to vaccines, and struggle to believe the evidence.

I myself struggle with doctors claiming that a person died by Covid 19 when it was really the high speed impact of their motorcycle into a bridge support ended their life instantly, and not Covid 19.

I was gonna raise that. Died "with" Covid vs "of" Covid is difficult to discuss. What is it, 6% of the total numbers, now up to 600K, will in time be revealed as having died "of" Covid?

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