Israel in Prophesy (still future vs 1948)

[DeighAnn]

12 minutes ago, dad2 said:

So as you might know all that is in the future. I don't think it alludes to 1948 in any way.

Hi Dad,
I don't either.  1948 has to do with the end of the pronounced sentence given in Leviticus which many never take into consideration.  SO I agree with you.  

D

Edited August 1, 2021 by DeighAnn

[AandW_Rootbeer]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

Still looks like you're making it up as you go. I am unpersuaded and do not see any difference in practice between your methods and dad2's. Neither of you are stating with what is stated and accepting it as written. 

Jesus was answering a single three-pronged question having to do with his judgment of the Pharisees, the destruction of the temple and the signs of his coming. He answered their question repeatedly listing things they, the disciples, would see and hear and he specifically stated they would experience tribulation. Although there are a pair of mentions of tribulation (or distress or affliction) nothing in the text specifies two separate events of tribulation. 

You can't make up the fact that 70 A.D. happened, and it happened without anything from Revelation 16:1-14 (15&16) taking place <Second Coming / Armageddon>

 

70 A.D. fulfilled Daniel's Prophecy of the AoD = Ending of Daily Sacrifice for sins.

33 A.D., the prophecy from Christ in first 1/3 of Matthew 24, confirms the Temple and the Prophecy of Daniel would fulfill together.

But the Wrath of God and His Return, that has always pointed to a future out pour of God's Wrath and Second Coming.

Both of those Events are Tribulations when you consider in 1 Wrath it kills 1/3 of mankind (70 A.D. was only a mere couple hundred thousand to the 2 million Israel Population not including the Population of the known world of that day).   The Wrath of God is far tragic than Romans doing foul things to the Temple, Altar, Holy of Hollies, and 200k Jews, End of Daily Sacrifice.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

No. Rhetorical questions that are off-topic do not help the conversation. I have read certain claims being made over the past twenty pages of conversation, beginning with the idea the restoration of Israel is still future to us here in the 21st century because they don't have peace and so too is the tribulation yet future. The problem is not merely the claims made; the problem is the complete, utter, and profound lack of scripture, the repeated abuses of scripture based on a highly inferential view of scripture and the constant disregard of what is plainly, clearly, explicitly stated. 

The facts are as I have stated them, beginning with the fact the New Testament never speaks of another geo-political nation-state based on bloodline or the Law of Moses. The New Testament repeatedly provides example after example of the Old Testament prophecies being fulfilled during the time of the New Testament. 

If John asks Jesus about the destruction of the temple and the signs of Jesus coming and Jesus does tell John that he, John, will go through the tribulation then John will in fact go through the tribulation. That does not mean others will not also experience the tribulation along with John, and it does not mean there will not be other tribulations. It simply means Jesus is speaking to John about John and conditions John would experience. Now there might be other Bible passages in which tribulation is reported. There might be other scripture where other tribulation is reported. The verses I've been shown 1) show the disciples would/will experience the temptation or 2) they were experiencing it at the time of the writing. 

Twenty pages of posts and not a single scripture has been provided stating Israel or the tribulation will occur in the 21st century and Christians won't be around to experience it!  

TWENTY PAGES!!!! 

I did ask. 

What is also evident is real simple mistakes like ignoring the "you" of the text (audience affiliation), the context of the stated text, the temporal markers ("this generation," "near," "at hand," and the fact the Revelation congregations are told they'd experience the trib), and the scores of places OT prophecy is referenced as coming true at the time of the NT writers. 

And, dad2, these are metrics that should be applied to anyone and everyone. Not just me. Not just you. They should be applied to John Hagee, Hal Lindsay, Michael Vlach, Thomas Ice, R. C. Sproul, Ken Gentry, Kim Riddlebarger, and every single individual in modernity writing on eschatology. The same standard applies to Justin, keras, DeighAnn, Alive, Walter, and any and every other poster. If they fail to FIRST read the text as stated, ignore what is stated and then make unsupported inferences claiming for themselves what scripture "says" instead of what it states then their conclusions should INSTANTLY be deemed eisegetic and unscriptural. 

Bad premises lead to bad syllogisms. Bad syllogisms lead to bad conclusions. Bad conclusions lead to more bad thinking, bad doctrine, and bad practice. 

 

The fact is there isn't a single verse in the entirety of the Bible ever stating Israel will be restored in the 21st century. The fact is the current country named "Israel" is not a restoration of Biblical Israel except in name along. If there is going to be a future covenant Israel then it's not going to happen anytime soon and if and when it does happen then everyone will KNOW without a scintilla of a doubt because it will be in possession of all the promised boundaries. 

All debate on the matter of restored land boundaries will cease. 

Therefore, there isn't a single poste in this entire forum who 1) should be arguing Israel is restored and 2) believing the pundits claiming it is restored. This is perhaps one of the biggest lies foisted upon Christendom on modernity. 

 

IF there is going to be a restored Israel  then BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD RESTORED that restored Israel will have to correspond to certain measures established by the scriptures, and those measures will begin with..... what is plainly stated, in the scriptures and not peoples opinions on the matter. IF a case for a restored Israel is to be made from scripture then it will have to be made from verses and passages other than the ones provided so far because those passages are talking about tribulation the disciples would experience. They are not and cannot be be about some tribulation future to the 21st century coming upon an Israel being restored in the 21st century that Christians will escape. They are not about a future-existing Israel!!!

Look at the scriptures and see first what they state. 

 

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And stop asking me rhetorical questions that aren't related to the specifics we're discussing in an attempt to shift the onus away from the incumbency of the op and the current failure to make the case for a future restored Israel. The many times Jesus used the word "you" in Matthew 24 are about the audience to whom he was speaking at that time. That does not mean other people of that era would not also experience tribulation, nor does it mean other tribulations would not occur. What it does mean is the tribulation Jesus mentioned was something to which they would be handed over; they would experience it. That is what the text actually states. 

AND IT IS BECAUSE THOSE EVENTS HAPPENED THAT WE KNOW GOD IS TRUE AND WE THEREFORE CAN APPLY THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURE TO OUR LIVES, because otherwise those passages are meaningless to ALL the people living between then and the fulfillment. At best hose words serve as nothing more than a constant hope and never fulfilled truth. It makes us like the Jews. In other words, because he did come back we know he will come back. 

Not all Israel is Israel. That is the truth of scripture bloodline geo-political nation-state Israel and its Jewish inhabitants never understood. Even though scripture plainly, explicitly, undeniably, irrefutably states "not all Israel is Israel" some in Christendom still don't know that truth and some teachers among that group teach a futurism that is built on other places where the facts and truths stated are ignored. 

The word "you" in Matthew 24 means "you, those to whom I am currently speaking in answer to the specific question you asked me." The words, "this generation" mean the generation to whom he was speaking at that time and the dozen other mentions of "this generation" found elsewhere in Matthew and Luke also ALL mean the generation to whom he is speaking. The word, "near" means near in time or space, and God NEVER uses the words "near" or "at hand" to mean anything other than near and at hand. Never. Matthew 24 and Revelation clearly speak of the disciples experiencing tribulation and the book of Revelation mentions Israel only three times, and only one of them has anything to do with the nation Israel. 

Until these matters and other fatal concerns not yet even broached are surmounted this op does not prove veracious. 

 

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So don't be getting all mad at me. I have been patient for twenty pages. I read with an open mind and open Bible in hand. I lurked many exchanges in which I did not weigh in. I can completely agree with you on one relevant point: Israel has NOT been restored. I don't see any evidence in this entire 20+ long set of conversations proving it will be restored or that it will be restored anytime in my lifetime or yours. 

What did I originally ask? Here is what I asked in my very first post, my op-reply two weeks ago: 

1. Where does scripture say God will bring Israel back in the 20th or 21st century?
2. Pick a random sample of "return of Israel" passages and ask yourself one question: do those passages make mention of the Messiah's coming? 
3. Does modern Israel actually look much like the Israel of the Bible? If not then Israel has NOT been brought back. 
4. How does the New Testament define "Israel"?  
5. Future of what? Future of those to whom the prophecy was originally written? Or future to those of us living in the 21st century?  

 

I give you credit for attempting to answer those questions but in the end not a single one of them was actually answered. I read appeals to what "in the end it comes back to" but that is NOT what scripture states. None of these questions is hard to answer if and when the Bible itself is used and not what modern futurists say the Bible says. 

1. Nowhere does the Bible ever say God will bring back Israel in the 21st century.
2. Every mention of Israel's restoration in the OT is related to the coming of God's anointed one and he came in the first century!
3. Modern Israel does not look like Biblical covenant Israel. Israel has NOT been brought back. 
4. The Old Testament defines Israel as those selected by God without their consent and brought into a covenant initiated by God through the promises made to Abraham when the gospel was preached to him and the Law of Moses, all of which made these people of God a people of faith because the righteous live by faith. The New Testament (Romans 9 & 11) discards all the accouterments and plainly states not all descendants of Abraham are his sons and nor are all that is Israel to be considered Israel. It discards the bloodline in favor of faith to emphasize the fundamentally critical feature that defines Israel: The righteous shall live by faith. 
5. Most of what was future to the Jews of the Old Testament was present-tense for the New Testament writers and most of what remained future for the New Testament writers is past-tense for us living on the other side of the earth here in the 21st century. 

Not difficult questions to answer. 

This is what Dispensationalism (and its associated modern futurisms) does to Christians. 

Over the last twenty pages of discussion I have asked many other questions and few of them have been answered. Few matters have been resolved before some distraction is broached to be debated and never resolved because another and then another and then another and another and another are brought up when not a single one of the constituent elements of the op's thesis has ever been resolved. Your stated thesis is, 

 

"In all the major parts of the Bible I read about when God brings Israel back, it seems to still be the future."

 

And the reason Israel's restoration is thought to still be future is because, "For example I don't think we could say they are at peace and safe now." They don't have peace so they must not be restored.

When you look at these 20+ pages of posts do you think you have proved your position, dad2? 

Galatians 3:7, 23-29
"Therefore, be sure that it is those who are of faith who are sons of Abraham.........   But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.  Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith.  But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.  For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus.  For all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ.  There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.  And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's descendants, heirs according to promise." 

Galatians 6:15-16
"For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation.  And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God." 

Peace has come to Israel, but it is not the peace defined by an absence of temporal conflict. Those who are heirs according to God's promise have peace with God by His grace through faith in His resurrected Son. 

Every time you read the words, "promise" or "promises" in the New Testament we should be asking ourselves, "What promise(s)?" because God made many promises. 

And they are ALL fulfilled in Christ resurrected. 

 

 

 

(my apologies for the length)

 

 

Peace has not come to Israel and will not until they accept the Prince of Peace. It is not off topic to point out that there always was tribulations, and that none of them were the Great Tribulation. The fact you claim that is off topic shows a lot. Perhaps that is why you cannot answer the question you were asked.

Here it is again

When did all the waters on earth turn to blood, or all grass and trees get burned up, or an army of 200 million march over a dried up Euphrates river, or angels fly in the air preaching the gospel, or the heavens get shaken and go out/dark, or two witnesses raise from the dead in Jerusalem after doing miracles for 3 and a half years, or the final world leader get revealed and set up an abomination in the holy place and force all people to get a mark to buy or sell under penalty of death....etc etc etc ? The answer is that none of these things happened obviously. Sorry, you lose.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

I completely agree. The problem is YOU are supposed to be making the case for this op. I have no obligation to prove anything because this is your op, not mine. According to what is plainly stated in the op you believe Israel is not yet restored because it does not have peace.

The op states, "In all the major parts of the bible I read about when God brings Israel back, it seems to still be the future. For example I don't think we could say they are at peace and safe now." 

Twenty pages of posts. Do you think you've made that case? If not then why not? None of us have prevented that from happening. 

 

The op assumes peace is the evidence proving a restored Israel. I think that is a questionable premise, especially if "Israel" and "peace" are not defined as the Bible defines them. Hence my original inquiries (which still remain unanswered, along with many others I have asked since). If a case for this op's thesis is going to be presented then I recommend you define your terms and define them as scripture defines them, not as 21st century modern futurism that was invented in the 19th century defines them. Not all Israel is Israel Romans 9). When the Old Testament prophecies speak of God restoring Israel.... 

 

Is God speaking of the Israel that is Israel or the Israel that is not Israel? 

 

Until that question is answered correctly nothing else will be correct. If you (or anyone else) is going to discuss whether or not the Israel "God brings back" "in all the major parts of the Bible" then we ought to be discussing the answer to the question above. Yes? 

Twenty pages. 

Might be time for you to take a breath and reset the conversation. Your op. Make the case for Israel not yet being brought back because it doesn't have peace. And now that you know what others will bring to bear upon the op try making a reasonable and rational case of well-rendered scripture that precludes all our arguments and proves yours the one to which we should all subscribe . 

Israel is the people of Israel that get saved. The rest don't make it through the Tribulation. Only a remnant. That is Israel. You see Israel has a secret weapon, that is more powerful than all the weapons of all countries on earth today as we speak! If they were to cry out to Jesus and repent today, their enemies would be ground to powder right away. When they do that in the end, that is what will happen. Their nukes and other weapons cannot save them. 

[dad2]

20 hours ago, Josheb said:

Yep. To whom is Jesus speaking?

Yep. To whom is Luke writing?

Yep. To whom is Paul writing? 

Yep. To whom is Paul writing? Note that Paul is writing about a tribulation he is already experiencing, a tribulation is exceedingly joyful to experience.

Yep. To whom is Paul writing? About whom is he writing when he includes the "we" with the "you"? 

 

 

A marvelous job of proving my position was just provided: Jesus (and Luke and Paul) was speaking about events the disciples in the first century would experience and as you've just evidenced that tribulation had begun by the time Paul wrote to Corinth the second time (c. 57-58 AD). Try doing as I have recommended and read the scriptures as written. Read the scriptures as written and work first from what is stated before exegetically attempting to make inferences about what is being said apart from what is stated.

 

 

One other thing: Note Israel isn't mentioned once in any of those passages. Neither is the 21st century.  

 

 

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Neither is it excluded. The Great Tribulation, once started, lasts 3 1/2 years. Not sure how you think you can ignore this oft repeated biblical fact that demolishes your position out of hand.

[dad2]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

Every mention of Israel's restoration in the OT is related to the coming of God's anointed one and he came in the first century!

His coming is both as the Lamb and the Lion. That was the mystery the Jews missed. They assumed it was one coming where He would reign. There are said to be more prophesies in the bible of His return and reign than the first coming. It is when Israel in the end, after killing the Lamb of God, accepts the Lion of the tribe of Judah that they get saved and God returns them to the land. He did not come in glory that first time, He came as a Lamb to die for us. The return of Christ is His coming. His coming was in two parts, as the Lamb and as the Lion. You cannot try to make the first coming fulfill all the prophesies! Jesus did not do that! He stopped mid verse in a prophesy that launched from the first coming to the second coming! That is because He had wisdom and knew on from the other. WE need His wisdom to be able to do the same. That is the whole problem.

[dad2]

8 minutes ago, Josheb said:

All of which has all already happened. 

Wow. How can you drink water if it all turned to blood? Do you think it turned back into water again? Verse? How can you eat fruit from a tree if they all burned up, or walk on grass? How is it no one here saw the AntiChrist when he was revealed and forced you to get his mark or die? What did that angels flying through the air preaching to all the world look like? How high was his flight path? Did anyone get pictures of the army of 200 million crossing the dry Euphrates river? How have people been going to beaches when the sun went dark? How could there be people star watching when they all went out and fell from the sky? When did every tower and mountain on earth fall in the great shaking, and every island move away from where it was? I could go on and on and on and on. Are you the only one who noticed all this? Did God change His word and mind and no longer have the great tribulation last 3 1/2 years? Was John and Daniel wrong? When did we see that bottomless pit open up and the smoke and demons pouring out of it? Claiming all this happened is not sound.

[dad2]

18 minutes ago, Josheb said:

There is not 3 1/2 years in Matthew 24. Not sure why you think there is. I have yet to see any "oft repeated biblical facts from you. A lot of baseless interpretations and various selective pasting together of scripture, but no facts. 

Show me where "3 1/2 years" is mentioned in Matthew 24. 
Show me where any 3 1/2 years is said to occur in the 21st century. 

Just show me. 

No one says that the days have to be given in every chapter in the bible! They are repeated in several places. You can't ignore the clear length of the Great Tribulation we are given. Did you think you could? When we see an event spoken about in prophesy we get details from different areas where it is talked about. The bible is not a book where all aspects of an event have to be written in one chapter or verse. God did not give us a century when prophesy would happen, He gave a sequence of events or signs. It can be any time. But He did give the years and months and days from when the Tribulation starts. 

[AandW_Rootbeer]

1 hour ago, Josheb said:

lol! No, you can't make up the fact that it did not happen. 

 

Rev. 16 happened at a time near to the vision God gave John and the writing of the book we now call Revelation. It may not have happened the way you think it will happen based on yor 19th century eschatology but if we stand on what the scripture of Revelation actually states then whatever happened did in fact happen at a time near to or at hand of the revelation of Revelation. Whatever else we read the text to say it MUST comply with the opening and closing statement (unless there is something specifically stated within those two statements stating that event will happen outside the quick and near.

And if you, AandW, will stand firm first on what is stated you'll realize any and all attempts to subject scripture to secular history are 1) the cart before the horse, 2) idolatrously denying the authority of scripture, and 3) adding to or subtracting from the one book of the Bible that tells us not to add to or subtract from it. 

It states the events were near. 

In the Bible God NEVER uses the word "near" to mean anything but near in either time or space. Never. Appeals to 2 Peter 3:8 don't apply because God always uses "near" to mean near.

 

So I don't have to make up facts. I stand firm on what is plainly stated in God's word and if I have questions about what is stated I look first to God's word, not eschatology invented in the 19th century and not the 21st century newscasts. Revelation 16 did happen in the first century. We may not know how, exactly, because the canon of scripture is closed, but scripture plainly states those events happened near to the time the Revelation was revealed. Nothing in the entirety of the whole book says anything about the 21st century. 

And you should not make up facts to say otherwise. Neither should you insinuate others are making stuff up when they have not and you do. 

 

 

Now, are you and I gonna talk about what is stated, or not? 

And are we going to keep it relevant to this op's claim Israel has not yet been restored because it does not have peace? 

Because if that is not what you want to discuss with me then I'm not interested. If tribulations and abominations of desolation, and beasts, and bowls and all the jumping around posters do in the Eschatology board doesn't have anything to do with the restoration of Israel then it is off-topic from this op..... and the fact is Israel is mentioned only three times in the book of Revelation and only one of those mentions has anything remotely to do with its geo-political nation-state existence. The book was not written to Israel and it was not written about Israel. 

And the book plainly, clearly, specifically, explicitly, undeniably and irrefutably states the things described in its vision would happen quickly because the time was then near or at hand.

Actually, what does matter, is that God's Second Coming surrounds Wrath.   His Second Coming <Never> has happened yet, period!

 

So whenever His Second Coming does happen, it comes after an End of Wrath, or a Tribulation of Events only God could perform.

 

So knowing that much, helps us to understand what is being said closer in perspective to Matthew 24.   One Event in 70 A.D. and a Second Event right before His Return.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Josheb said:

The fact is there isn't a single verse in the entirety of the Bible ever stating Israel will be restored in the 21st century.

TRUE, as in NOT IN 'those WORDS stated' but it's truth is WRITTEN just the same, there to be found for those seeking TRUTH.   THERE are so very MANY VERSES that speak to CHRISTS RETURN and when all brought together, it can BE AT NO OTHER TIME.  Learn about the FIG...

Was the Kingdom and the King proclaimed by John the Baptist?  By Christ?  Again in the Acts?  Did/has the nation, either at that time or at anytime since, ever come to repentance?  WAS the King in fact rejected and crucified instead?

We agree that the KING AND KINGDOM, the rule and reign ON EARTH AS it was proclaimed, has never COME to be, correct? 

WHETHER or NOT 'it was possible or ever could have taken place then' or for  WHATEVER reason one might come up with, IT WAS OFFERED, correct?  Can we agree that the OFFER of a King and Kingdom ALSO came with a 'the last day' that would have taken place IF that King and Kingdom would have been accepted WHETHER that could have ever been possible or not? 

ONCE rejected,  so to ALL that WOULD HAVE COME TO PASS.

SO has the 'day of vengeance' come to pass at any time since then? 

We can FOR SURE know that BY the things WRITTEN or stated about that day and IF THEY HAD WE would right now be living in that CHANGE.  
SO we know FOR SURE, WITHOUT A SINGLE DOUBT, no matter what anyone else says BECAUSE WE ARE IN FLESH BODIES STILL, that it didn't take place at the time of the destruction in 70AD

Just super quick easy to check out things  

1)  because there were NO FALLEN ANGELS, like there were at the time of Noe 
WE know this because there are no GIANTS running around.  No GOLIATHS.  

2)  because we are in flesh bodies.  

3)  there is no temple/sanctuary presently in Jerusalem

3)  the landscape remains as it was

4)  Satan is not bound 

5)  The two houses have not been joined

6)  There are MANY transgressions taking place

7)  There is no river that can not be crossed

8)  We are not eating from the trees on that river

9)  There are no penalties for helping 'the dead'

10)  The Holy Spirit has not been poured out upon all flesh

11)  No plagues like those that happened in Egypt have taken place

12)  People are practicing witchcraft, there are soothsayers,  etc.   

Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

Matthew 24:33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Matthew 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

Matthew 24:37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,

Matthew 24:39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Matthew 24:41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

 

1  Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

1  Thessalonians 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.


 

Matthew 22:27 And last of all the woman died also.

Matthew 22:28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

Matthew 22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

Matthew 22:30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Matthew 22:31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

Matthew 22:32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.

DOES IT STATE ANYWHERE THAT THOSE 'GOING THROUGH GREAT TRIBULATION' WILL BE IN THE FLESH UPON THE EARTH and not in heaven at the time?   AND IF SO, PLEASE TELL WHERE IT IS STATED.  

 

Leviticus 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;

Leviticus 26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:

Leviticus 26:16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

Leviticus 26:17 And I will set my face against you, and ye shall be slain before your enemies: they that hate you shall reign over you; and ye shall flee when none pursueth you.

Leviticus 26:18 And if ye will not yet for all this hearken unto me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins.

Leviticus 26:19 And I will break the pride of your power; and I will make your heaven as iron, and your earth as brass:

Leviticus 26:20 And your strength shall be spent in vain: for your land shall not yield her increase, neither shall the trees of the land yield their fruits.

Leviticus 26:21 And if ye walk contrary unto me, and will not hearken unto me; I will bring seven times more plagues upon you according to your sins.

Leviticus 26:22 I will also send wild beasts among you, which shall rob you of your children, and destroy your cattle, and make you few in number; and your high ways shall be desolate.

Leviticus 26:23 And if ye will not be reformed by me by these things, but will walk contrary unto me;

Leviticus 26:24 Then will I also walk contrary unto you, and will punish you yet seven times for your sins.

Leviticus 26:25 And I will bring a sword upon you, that shall avenge the quarrel of my covenant: and when ye are gathered together within your cities, I will send the pestilence among you; and ye shall be delivered into the hand of the enemy.

Leviticus 26:26 And when I have broken the staff of your bread, ten women shall bake your bread in one oven, and they shall deliver you your bread again by weight: and ye shall eat, and not be satisfied.

Leviticus 26:27 And if ye will not for all this hearken unto me, but walk contrary unto me;

Leviticus 26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

Leviticus 26:29 And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.

Leviticus 26:30 And I will destroy your high places, and cut down your images, and cast your carcases upon the carcases of your idols, and my soul shall abhor you.

Leviticus 26:31 And I will make your cities waste, and bring your sanctuaries unto desolation, and I will not smell the savour of your sweet odours.

Leviticus 26:32 And I will bring the land into desolation: and your enemies which dwell therein shall be astonished at it.

Leviticus 26:33 And I will scatter you among the heathen, and will draw out a sword after you: and your land shall be desolate, and your cities waste.

Leviticus 26:34 Then shall the land enjoy her sabbaths, as long as it lieth desolate, and ye be in your enemies' land; even then shall the land rest, and enjoy her sabbaths.

Leviticus 26:35 As long as it lieth desolate it shall rest; because it did not rest in your sabbaths, when ye dwelt upon it.

Leviticus 26:36 And upon them that are left alive of you I will send a faintness into their hearts in the lands of their enemies; and the sound of a shaken leaf shall chase them; and they shall flee, as fleeing from a sword; and they shall fall when none pursueth.

Leviticus 26:37 And they shall fall one upon another, as it were before a sword, when none pursueth: and ye shall have no power to stand before your enemies.

Leviticus 26:38 And ye shall perish among the heathen, and the land of your enemies shall eat you up.

Leviticus 26:39 And they that are left of you shall pine away in their iniquity in your enemies' lands; and also in the iniquities of their fathers shall they pine away with them.

Leviticus 26:40 If they shall confess their iniquity, and the iniquity of their fathers, with their trespass which they trespassed against me, and that also they have walked contrary unto me;

Leviticus 26:41 And that I also have walked contrary unto them, and have brought them into the land of their enemies; if then their uncircumcised hearts be humbled, and they then accept of the punishment of their iniquity:

Leviticus 26:42 Then will I remember my covenant with Jacob, and also my covenant with Isaac, and also my covenant with Abraham will I remember; and I will remember the land.

Leviticus 26:43 The land also shall be left of them, and shall enjoy her sabbaths, while she lieth desolate without them: and they shall accept of the punishment of their iniquity: because, even because they despised my judgments, and because their soul abhorred my statutes.

Leviticus 26:44 And yet for all that, when they be in the land of their enemies, I will not cast them away, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them: for I am the LORD their God.

Leviticus 26:45 But I will for their sakes remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the heathen, that I might be their God: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 26:46 These are the statutes and judgments and laws, which the LORD made between him and the children of Israel in mount Sinai by the hand of Moses.

And what is covered in the covenant made with the ancestors???

AND WHEN DID THAT PUNISHMENT END? 

1948 so YES, for those with eyes to see and ears to hear, there is a verse, ARE in fact many VERSES, stating WHEN ISRAEL WILL BE RESTORED, when the two sticks will be brought back together.   

 

Micah 5:7 And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men.

Micah 5:8 And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver.

Micah 5:9 Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off.

Micah 5:10 And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the LORD, that I will cut off thy horses out of the midst of thee, and I will destroy thy chariots:

Micah 5:11 And I will cut off the cities of thy land, and throw down all thy strong holds:

Micah 5:12 And I will cut off witchcrafts out of thine hand; and thou shalt have no more soothsayers:

Micah 5:13 Thy graven images also will I cut off, and thy standing images out of the midst of thee; and thou shalt no more worship the work of thine hands.

Micah 5:14 And I will pluck up thy groves out of the midst of thee: so will I destroy thy cities.

 

Micah 5:15 And I will execute vengeance in anger and fury upon the heathen, such as they have not heard.