Christian and Holy Spirit

[appy]

1 hour ago, Hopefully said:

“While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word. And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter, Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we? And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10:44-48‬ ‭

No one in this thread is against people being baptized with water or forbidding such. Not at all. There is the claim by the opster  that a person isn't a believer at all until he or she is water baptized and receives the Holy Spirit.

The part of my post you quoted wasn't about forbidding people from being water baptized, but about those listening to Peter received the Holy Spirit immediately. 

My position Hopefully is that people receive the Holy Spirit upon accepting Christ into their lives.  Cornelius and those listening received the Holy Spirit right then and there.  NOT days and weeks later. 

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14 minutes ago, appy said:

My position Hopefully is that people receive the Holy Spirit upon accepting Christ into their lives.  Cornelius and those listening received the Holy Spirit right then and there.  NOT days and weeks later. 

I see what you are saying. Scripture says we must be born of both water and spirit. I believe it’s possible to be born of either or, but we need both.

“Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭

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55 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

I see what you are saying. Scripture says we must be born of both water and spirit. I believe it’s possible to be born of either or, but we need both.

“Jesus answered, “Believe me when I say that everyone must be born from water and the Spirit. Anyone who is not born from water and the Spirit cannot enter God’s kingdom.”
‭‭John‬ ‭3:5‬ ‭

⁵ Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.   That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.   Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You must be born again.’   The wind blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”

Ezek. 36:22 (ESVS)   “Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord GOD: It is not for your sake, O house of Israel, that I am about to act, but for the sake of my holy name, which you have profaned among the nations to which you came.     And I will vindicate the holiness of my great name, which has been profaned among the nations, and which you have profaned among them. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, declares the Lord GOD, when through you I vindicate my holiness before their eyes.     I will take you from the nations and gather you from all the countries and bring you into your own land.     I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you shall be clean from all your uncleannesses, and from all your idols I will cleanse you. ²⁶ And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.     And I will put my Spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes and be careful to obey my rules.

Titus 3:1 (ESVS)   Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work,   to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. ³ For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. ⁴ But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, ⁵ he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, ⁶ whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, ⁷ so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

 

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THere is a possibility that within Jesus remarks to Nicodemus there are two things being communicated...water being the water of natural birth as well as the Jewish understanding of baptism as a symbol of cleansing. One thing is clear, Jesus was contrasting natural human birth with a New birth. Death and then New Life.

 

 

 

 

 

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If Jesus was baptized I’m doing it too.

I was baptized before I even knew Jesus was, but now that I know, it makes me glad.

 I want to imitate Christ as much as I can. 

Edited July 21, 2021 by Hopefully

[appy]

To say that baptism is required to receive salvation makes it “saved by works” instead of the work of God's grace. It is an outward demonstration of the inward reality that God has already caused you to be born from above. It symbolizes and demonstrates that we are following Jesus in being baptized as He was baptized.

Baptism is a symbol of being a follower of Jesus and is a public confession and testimony that a person is making a commitment to put to death the sinful nature that is within them and is committed to following Christ. That the person is indeed repenting of their sins, confessing faith in front of witnesses. Water baptism symbolizes the death and burial of the old carnal self and its sinful nature.

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“So go and make followers of all people in the world. Baptize them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:19‬ ‭

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7 minutes ago, appy said:

To say that baptism is required to receive salvation makes it “saved by works” instead of the work of God's grace. It is an outward demonstration of the inward reality that God has already caused you to be born from above. It symbolizes and demonstrates that we are following Jesus in being baptized as He was baptized.

Baptism is a symbol of being a follower of Jesus and is a public confession and testimony that a person is making a commitment to put to death the sinful nature that is within them and is committed to following Christ. That the person is indeed repenting of their sins, confessing faith in front of witnesses. Water baptism symbolizes the death and burial of the old carnal self and its sinful nature.

Yup--and a very real sign of an inward confession and inclusion in the community of saints.

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14 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

If Jesus was baptized I’m doing it too.

I was baptized before I even knew Jesus was, but now that I know, it makes me glad.

 I want to imitate Christ as much as I can. 

I also was immersed in water, and Baptised in Jesus Name, Amen!!?

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“But the Pharisees and experts in the law refused to accept God’s plan for themselves; they did not let John baptize them.)”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭7:30‬ ‭