WordSword Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 169 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,162 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 646 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/07/2010 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 There is only one strain of salvation--"Eternal salvation" (Heb 5:9), which is an "everlasting consolation" (2Th 2:16) and an "eternal glory" (2Ti 2:10). If it's not permanent it's not salvation, for the crux of salvation designs the intention of being in permanent and unbroken fellowship with God, which only Christianity provides. In Christianity, one who is reborn is identified by God working within, which keep us from ever again willing after the sin nature (old man) - Phl 2:13); and this is a permanent work, as nothing God does in Christ for the Christian is temporary (Rom 11:29). The way of the Law for the believing Jews was works related, as forgiveness was granted for obedience maintained, but withdrawn in disobedience persisted. But God always caused the believers to return to Him. This works-type method gives rise to self-dependence in believers today, misunderstanding the difference between the two administrations. In the New Covenant the Spirit of God indwells the believer and uses the Life of Christ and the nature "created" in His image (Col 3:10) to "keep you from falling" (Jde 1:24). Thus one who is only nominally professing Christianity (Mat 15:8) will eventually apostatize (revealing faithlessness), as the "fruit" will always manifest the "tree" (Mat 12:33). Lacking an administrative differentiation between the two Covenants is only one of a believer's difficulty. The other is the difficulty that results in misunderstanding certain Scriptures that seem to conflict with one another (but never really do), esp. those concerning the permanency of salvation, and the most important growth truths are going to be the most difficulty to learn. It is this appearance of contradiction, though all are actually in agreement, that teaches the Bible student to remain in persistent study and prayer for guidance in "the Word of Truth" (2Ti 2:15). One of many examples is Gal 5:4: "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I believe the point of this passage is like saying, "It would be as though you have fallen from grace, if you could be justified by the Law." As we know, Scripture repeatedly makes it clear that the Law's intention was not to justify but to reveal what justification is, for "a man is not justified by the works of the law" (Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11). It might be said that one cannot fall from grace any more than one could be justified by the Law: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law” – ‘on the supposition that any of you are justified by the Law; or if, as you seem to suppose, any are justified by the Law. The apostle does not say that this had in fact ever occurred; but he merely makes a supposition. If such a thing should or could occur, it would follow that you had fallen from grace’” (Albert Barnes – 1798- 1870). “Ye are fallen from grace”; ‘that is, either from that grace which they professed to have; for there might be some in these churches, as in others, who were only nominal Christians, and formal professors; who had declared they saw themselves lost and undone sinners, destitute of a righteousness, and professed to believe in Christ alone for righteousness and strength, but now trusted in themselves, and in the works of the law.’” – John Gill (1697-1771) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riverwalker Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 2 Topic Count: 92 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 2,054 Content Per Day: 0.60 Reputation: 1,753 Days Won: 4 Joined: 12/09/2014 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) Then let us ensure that we are fully infect by the one strain Edited July 26, 2021 by Riverwalker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sower Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 14 Topic Count: 32 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,275 Content Per Day: 0.97 Reputation: 5,900 Days Won: 1 Joined: 07/09/2009 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 2 hours ago, WordSword said: If it's not permanent it's not salvation, for the crux of salvation designs the intention of being in permanent and unbroken fellowship with God, which only Christianity provides. I believe I could/would lose my salvation. If it was only up to me. Knowing my weaknesses. Praise God, it is up to God. Who will never leave me, nor forsake me... I'm sealed, bought with a price. Blood. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,268 Content Per Day: 7.55 Reputation: 28,001 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 16 minutes ago, Sower said: I believe I could/would lose my salvation. If it was only up to me. Knowing my weaknesses. Praise God, it is up to God. Who will never leave me, nor forsake me... I'm sealed, bought with a price. Blood. If it was up to you I don't think it would be possible for you to get it in the first place... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not me Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 14 Topic Count: 514 Topics Per Day: 0.23 Content Count: 3,196 Content Per Day: 1.43 Reputation: 3,358 Days Won: 1 Joined: 04/06/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, WordSword said: There is only one strain of salvation--"Eternal salvation" (Heb 5:9), which is an "everlasting consolation" (2Th 2:16) and an "eternal glory" (2Ti 2:10). If it's not permanent it's not salvation, for the crux of salvation designs the intention of being in permanent and unbroken fellowship with God, which only Christianity provides. In Christianity, one who is reborn is identified by God working within, which keep us from ever again willing after the sin nature (old man) - Phl 2:13); and this is a permanent work, as nothing God does in Christ for the Christian is temporary (Rom 11:29). The way of the Law for the believing Jews was works related, as forgiveness was granted for obedience maintained, but withdrawn in disobedience persisted. But God always caused the believers to return to Him. This works-type method gives rise to self-dependence in believers today, misunderstanding the difference between the two administrations. In the New Covenant the Spirit of God indwells the believer and uses the Life of Christ and the nature "created" in His image (Col 3:10) to "keep you from falling" (Jde 1:24). Thus one who is only nominally professing Christianity (Mat 15:8) will eventually apostatize (revealing faithlessness), as the "fruit" will always manifest the "tree" (Mat 12:33). Lacking an administrative differentiation between the two Covenants is only one of a believer's difficulty. The other is the difficulty that results in misunderstanding certain Scriptures that seem to conflict with one another (but never really do), esp. those concerning the permanency of salvation, and the most important growth truths are going to be the most difficulty to learn. It is this appearance of contradiction, though all are actually in agreement, that teaches the Bible student to remain in persistent study and prayer for guidance in "the Word of Truth" (2Ti 2:15). One of many examples is Gal 5:4: "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace." I believe the point of this passage is like saying, "It would be as though you have fallen from grace, if you could be justified by the Law." As we know, Scripture repeatedly makes it clear that the Law's intention was not to justify but to reveal what justification is, for "a man is not justified by the works of the law" (Gal 2:16; Gal 3:11). It might be said that one cannot fall from grace any more than one could be justified by the Law: “Whosoever of you are justified by the law” – ‘on the supposition that any of you are justified by the Law; or if, as you seem to suppose, any are justified by the Law. The apostle does not say that this had in fact ever occurred; but he merely makes a supposition. If such a thing should or could occur, it would follow that you had fallen from grace’” (Albert Barnes – 1798- 1870). “Ye are fallen from grace”; ‘that is, either from that grace which they professed to have; for there might be some in these churches, as in others, who were only nominal Christians, and formal professors; who had declared they saw themselves lost and undone sinners, destitute of a righteousness, and professed to believe in Christ alone for righteousness and strength, but now trusted in themselves, and in the works of the law.’” – John Gill (1697-1771) Hi, I once read; ‘Ask not if we are saved by faith or works, for it is being in possession of the new birth that saves’ Or something to that effect.. For which I thought the idea that was being put forth was very sound… My thinks ??? Keep pressing in and be blessed in Him… A fellow believer, Not me Edited July 26, 2021 by Not me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WordSword Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Diamond Member Followers: 10 Topic Count: 169 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 1,162 Content Per Day: 0.24 Reputation: 646 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/07/2010 Status: Offline Author Share Posted July 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Sower said: I believe I could/would lose my salvation. If it was only up to me. Knowing my weaknesses. Praise God, it is up to God. Who will never leave me, nor forsake me... I'm sealed, bought with a price. Blood. Amen, and it's His "work" in our heart that will keep us from ever willing after the old man again (Phl 2:13). It's the heart God claims, because it's where one's treasure is (Mat 6:21). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 349 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,519 Content Per Day: 2.69 Reputation: 5,415 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Sower said: I believe I could/would lose my salvation. If it was only up to me. Knowing my weaknesses. Praise God, it is up to God. Who will never leave me, nor forsake me... I'm sealed, bought with a price. Blood. Whatcha think Sower? How many posts in before this turns into OSAS; Hebrews 6: discussion? No, I'm not a prophet or for profit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David1701 Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 8 Topic Count: 15 Topics Per Day: 0.01 Content Count: 5,731 Content Per Day: 3.51 Reputation: 3,524 Days Won: 12 Joined: 11/27/2019 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 Pet. 1:3-5 (Webster) 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again to a living hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith to salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Selah7 Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 11 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.05 Content Count: 2,610 Content Per Day: 2.39 Reputation: 3,183 Days Won: 11 Joined: 05/25/2021 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) His sheep have no worries. John 10:27-28 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me: 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of My hand. Edited July 26, 2021 by Selah7 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted July 26, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,900 Content Per Day: 2.42 Reputation: 2,781 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Selah7 said: His sheep have no worries. John 10:28-30 28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. 29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand. 30 I and my Father are one. On reading the above scriptures we come to understand that anyone who believes in Jesus Christ he is also one of the children of God and God is their Father. The Heavenly Father of Jesus Christ is also our Father. Our place is with him in Jesus Christ name. We are born in the family of the Heavenly Father by faith in Jesus Christ. We have the blood of Jesus Christ in our hearts death cannot come to us. We are alive to God because of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is our peace with God. Edited July 26, 2021 by Your closest friendnt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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