Is God a liar, or is the creation account true?

[one.opinion]

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

The genre is testimony of God how He created to Moses... and Scripture itself confirm by the comparative given in the Exodus account. The Word of God must speak for itself or it would not be The Word of God!

You believe the genre requires a literal week. The genre itself is not proof. If the Genesis account of the creation week is largely symbolic, then the Exodus reference of 7 days is also symbolic. The idea that Exodus 20 uses a symbolic week is supported by more symbolism just a few chapters later in Exodus 23.

I agree with the Word of God! I just disagree with you about whether the creation week is literal or figurative.

1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

No that is the interpretation of evidence by evolutionist

There are some young earth creationists (like Todd Wood) that acknowledge that there is a LOT of evidence supporting evolution.

http://toddcwood.blogspot.com/2009/09/truth-about-evolution.html

[one.opinion]

1 hour ago, Sparks said:

Scripture and evolution theory are in conflict.  You have chosen to ignore the conflicts, is how.

Oh what a surprise... you are making false claims again.

[Sparks]

Just now, one.opinion said:

Oh what a surprise... you are making false claims again.

OK, what is the false claim?

[dad2]

4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

Neither of those assertions are true. Otherwise, how could I accept both creation by God and the truth of scripture?

If God created the earth before the sun, that means the big bang is bogus. If woman was created one day from the bone of a man by God doing an operation while the man slept, that means the theory of evolution is a lie. If God walked and spoke with the man on day six, that means evolution is a lie. If plants were created days before the sun, that means that there could be no millions of years that they waited. Etc.

[dad2]

2 hours ago, teddyv said:

1 Kings 7:23
(NIV)
23 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits[a] to measure around it.

How is this a spiritual reality? It's about as concrete as can be.

Where did this get made? In the holy place? Would that be possibly spiritual? I think that vase held the water needed for cleansing, that seems possibly somewhat spiritual also. Then there is the old fashioned issues like what exactly in the vase was measured.. Do we really know? For example if we put a line measure inside a rim or something, we might get a slightly smaller measure. Why seize upon the unknown to try and make it look like God makes mistakes?

[one.opinion]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

If God created the earth before the sun, that means the big bang is bogus.

I don't believe it is necessary to accept the creation week as a literal series of sequential days. I believe the point to Genesis 1 is to establish God as the Creator of all things, not to tell us in anything close to precise detail how the creation was carried out.

https://www.gci.org/articles/genesis-1-are-the-six-days-of-creation-literal-or-figurative/

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

If woman was created one day from the bone of a man by God doing an operation while the man slept, that means the theory of evolution is a lie.

Not so, Adam and Eve could have been created in a way that would match a very literal view of the verses describing their origin. Development of other living things could have occurred by evolution around Adam and Eve. Remember that a strictly literal interpretation of Genesis 4 would show us that there were other people around when Cain fled after killing Abel.

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

If God walked and spoke with the man on day six, that means evolution is a lie.

It seems to me that God had a personal relationship with Adam and Eve far longer than just day 6, but I'm not sure how that leads to your conclusion.

2 hours ago, dad2 said:

If plants were created days before the sun, that means that there could be no millions of years that they waited. Etc.

Right, that would mean a figurative timeline again. I believe the message is that God created all of the things that other people groups around the ancient Israelites worshipped. The timeline is not the "take home" message.

[dad2]

18 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

I don't believe it is necessary to accept the creation week as a literal series of sequential days. I believe the point to Genesis 1 is to establish God as the Creator of all things, not to tell us in anything close to precise detail how the creation was carried out.

https://www.gci.org/articles/genesis-1-are-the-six-days-of-creation-literal-or-figurative/

Not so, Adam and Eve could have been created in a way that would match a very literal view of the verses describing their origin. Development of other living things could have occurred by evolution around Adam and Eve. Remember that a strictly literal interpretation of Genesis 4 would show us that there were other people around when Cain fled after killing Abel.

It seems to me that God had a personal relationship with Adam and Eve far longer than just day 6, but I'm not sure how that leads to your conclusion.

Right, that would mean a figurative timeline again. I believe the message is that God created all of the things that other people groups around the ancient Israelites worshipped. The timeline is not the "take home" message.

God established that He created and He established that Satan is a liar and He is absolutely True. Do you think that people thousands of years ago interpreted Genesis to mean millions of years per day? God formed Adam and breathed life into him and that was day 6, the same day that woman was created from a bone of Adam's. God brought all the animals to the man to be named. Man was put OVER all creatures. One cannot say man is just another creature, or that man came from other creature if one believes the bible. How did plants last millions of years till the sun got here? You seem to claim that was not actual or real but 'figurative'. How would your millions of years per day be real and what was actually stated somehow just 'figurative'? As mentioned, plants were created days earlier than the sun. 

 God PLANTED a garden and placed the man He had created there. How long do you think it takes the Almighty to plant a garden??

 

Edited September 24, 2021 by dad2

[one.opinion]

18 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Man was put OVER all creatures. One cannot say man is just another creature, or that man came from other creature if one believes the bible.

God certainly imbued humans with His image that separates us from the animals. I think that "His image" is something beyond the physical nature, because biologically, we have the same makeup as the animals. So I never have and never will make the claim that man is just another creature.

18 minutes ago, dad2 said:

How did plants last millions of years till the sun got here?

I don't believe that plants existed millions of years before the sun. As I said, I don't believe the "yoms" of Genesis 1 (or 2) represent a sequential series of events.

Did you read the link I pasted?

Edited September 24, 2021 by one.opinion

[dad2]

36 minutes ago, one.opinion said:

God certainly imbued humans with His image that separates us from the animals. I think that "His image" is something beyond the physical nature, because biologically, we have the same makeup as the animals. So I never have and never will make the claim that man is just another creature.

I don't believe that plants existed millions of years before the sun. As I said, I don't believe the "yoms" of Genesis 1 (or 2) represent a sequential series of events.

Did you read the link I pasted?

Your notion that God somehow endowed a creature that evolved from animals over great time simply does not fit Scripture. Now you want to deny the order and sequence of the days that you don't really believe were days. 'Gee, maybe God is a little senile and really meant that plants were made after the sun'? How about Eve, did He 'really' put Adam to sleep and take out a bone and made Eve from it? You cannot wave away the simple  account of creation simply because you have some idea that you need to do so. How about this, either believe it or not? Your link was nonsense and handwaving.

[enoob57]

4 hours ago, one.opinion said:

The genre itself is not proof.

According to God's Word in the comparative given in Exodus it is... your refusal to acknowledge this fact weights not upon Scripture but the interpretive faith of evolutionist and their error...
 

Ex 20:8-11

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
KJV