TRUE FAITH will be ALMOST EXTINCT....

[Tammy Roesch]

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8.

I don't believe that Jesus would ask this question if it didn't really look like TRUE FAITH was EXTINCT on the earth when Jesus is about to return. So it maybe should cause us to question the "FAITH" of many... If our faith doesn't change us and cause us to walk the narrow path, it's what I would call a SPURIOUS FAITH.

[Sower]

2 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8.

I don't believe that Jesus would ask this question if it didn't really look like TRUE FAITH was EXTINCT on the earth when Jesus is about to return. So it maybe should cause us to question the "FAITH" of many... If our faith doesn't change us and cause us to walk the narrow path, it's what I would call a SPURIOUS FAITH.

"So it maybe should cause us to question the "FAITH" of many..."

I have enough in my own life to keep my eyes upon Jesus, and not question the faith of others.
Faith comes by hearing the word, which says,

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:
   Fear God, and keep his commandments:
       for this is the whole duty of man.”
                  Ecclesiastes 12:13

       Love God, love my neighbor, press on...

[Alive]

1 hour ago, Tammy Roesch said:

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8.

I don't believe that Jesus would ask this question if it didn't really look like TRUE FAITH was EXTINCT on the earth when Jesus is about to return. So it maybe should cause us to question the "FAITH" of many... If our faith doesn't change us and cause us to walk the narrow path, it's what I would call a SPURIOUS FAITH.

Can you explain what is this true faith? The OP brings into question individual's faith, but does nothing to explain or to edify.

Perhaps an example in the negative and then an example in the positive.

[Arrabon]

2 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8.

I don't believe that Jesus would ask this question if it didn't really look like TRUE FAITH was EXTINCT on the earth when Jesus is about to return. So it maybe should cause us to question the "FAITH" of many... If our faith doesn't change us and cause us to walk the narrow path, it's what I would call a SPURIOUS FAITH.

@Tammy Roesch

I think you and I are on the same page biblically.

Many here won't discuss the "FEW", Matthew 7:14, who will be taken by Christ at the rapture, also known as the "Predestined" or the "REMNANT."

There is nothing wrong with judging others faith. 1st Cor. 5:12-13, "12 What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside the church? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you."

Edited July 30, 2021 by Arrabon

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, Arrabon said:

@Tammy Roesch

I think you and I are on the same page biblically.

Many here won't discuss the "FEW", Matthew 7:14, who will be taken by Christ at the rapture, also known as the "Predestined" or the "REMNANT."

There is nothing wrong with judging others faith. 1st Cor. 5:12-13, "12 What business of mine is it to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside the church? 13God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked man from among you."

THese scriptures represent Paul speaking to a specific church (Corinth) that had some serious problems among the members there. Immorality of particular concern. It was very specific.

There is a big difference between an accountability within a local community where those appointed by God in the local church as well as other members dealing with situations that arise and a nebulous calling out of peoples faith.

What has happened recently on this forum is a nebulous calling into question folks faith without specifics--and this across, I think now 4 OPs. My concern is for the young and ungrounded among us. Folks need solid scriptural teaching and encouragement regarding our commonn salvation and not sowing seeds of doubt.

The following verses are specific to what Paul was facing, but is also relevant for us today.

 

Rom. 13:13 (NAS20S) Let’s   behave properly as in the day, not in carousing and drunkenness, not in sexual promiscuity and debauchery, not in strife and jealousy. ¹⁴ But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh in regard to its lusts.

Rom. 14:1 (NAS20S)   Now accept the one who is weak in faith, but not to have quarrels over opinions.   One person has faith that he may eat all things, but the one who is weak eats only vegetables. ³ The one who eats is not to regard with contempt the one who does not eat, and the one who does not eat is not to judge the one who eats, for God has accepted him.   Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

Rom. 14:5 (NAS20S)    One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. ⁶ The one who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and the one who eats, does so with regard to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and the one who does not eat, it is for the Lord that he does not eat, and he gives thanks to God. ⁷ For not one of us lives for himself, and not one dies for himself; ⁸ for if we live, we live for the Lord, or if we die, we die for the Lord; therefore whether we live or die, we are the Lord’s. ⁹ For to this end Christ died and lived again, that He might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

[missmuffet]

7 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8.

I don't believe that Jesus would ask this question if it didn't really look like TRUE FAITH was EXTINCT on the earth when Jesus is about to return. So it maybe should cause us to question the "FAITH" of many... If our faith doesn't change us and cause us to walk the narrow path, it's what I would call a SPURIOUS FAITH.

There will be no true believers that enter the 7 year tribulation . All the born again genuine believers will have been taken up in the rapture of the Church. But many will come to Christ during the seven year tribulation. They are the tribulation saints. Most of them will be killed by the Antichrist. A handful will survive. We see this at the end of the tribulation when Jesus comes back to this earth. It is the separation of the sheep and goats Matthew 25:31-46. 

[johnthebaptist]

8 hours ago, Tammy Roesch said:

"Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?" Luke 18:8.

I don't believe that Jesus would ask this question if it didn't really look like TRUE FAITH was EXTINCT on the earth when Jesus is about to return. So it maybe should cause us to question the "FAITH" of many... If our faith doesn't change us and cause us to walk the narrow path, it's what I would call a SPURIOUS FAITH.

I don't see much faith in this world. We are taught Satan rules this world. I don't suppose it has to be that way, but how many people have read the Bible and live by the teachings of the Lord?

[Tammy Roesch]

22 hours ago, Alive said:

Can you explain what is this true faith? The OP brings into question individual's faith, but does nothing to explain or to edify.

Perhaps an example in the negative and then an example in the positive.

Yes, I made a post to answer your question last night...we were in the car, on our way down to watch the sunset to bring in the Sabbath...and just as I made the post, we lost internet connection, so I lost it.  Sorry for the delay :).

An example of TRUE FAITH is this:

A man is a smoker and finds out he has lung cancer.  Facing the reality of death coming soon, he begins to have more serious thoughts that lead him to the Bible and he finds Jesus as His Savior from sin. He believes/has FAITH in Jesus and gives up his smoking and does all in his power to get as healthy as possible. He submits the future to Jesus and determines to serve Him, whether or not God will heal him of his cancer. That man has TRUE FAITH, he no longer fears death.

Contrasting that man with another man who likewise is a smoker and comes down with cancer, but he considers himself a Christian in his smoking state. He has ignored the verse that says, "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."  1Co 3:17  Instead this man focuses on Act 16:31  "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved..." Clinging to the false teaching that ALL one has to do is BELIEVE, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.  He continues smoking and eating unhealthy, all the while attending church and telling himself that he is "right with God." 

The 2nd man has a FALSE FAITH.  TRUE FAITH will lead us to ask God to help us stop doing the things that are unhealthy for us (we cannot stop doing those things on our own, but "with God, all things are possible"). 

Edited July 31, 2021 by Tammy Roesch

[Tammy Roesch]

17 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I don't see much faith in this world. We are taught Satan rules this world. I don't suppose it has to be that way, but how many people have read the Bible and live by the teachings of the Lord?

What you said is so true...SAD...but TRUE.  We truly are living in the Last Days.

[Alive]

1 hour ago, Tammy Roesch said:

Yes, I made a post to answer your question last night...we were in the car, on our way down to watch the sunset to bring in the Sabbath...and just as I made the post, we lost internet connection, so I lost it.  Sorry for the delay :).

An example of TRUE FAITH is this:

A man is a smoker and finds out he has lung cancer.  Facing the reality of death coming soon, he begins to have more serious thoughts that lead him to the Bible and he finds Jesus as His Savior from sin. He believes/has FAITH in Jesus and gives up his smoking and does all in his power to get as healthy as possible. He submits the future to Jesus and determines to serve Him, whether or not God will heal him of his cancer. That man has TRUE FAITH, he no longer fears death.

Contrasting that man with another man who likewise is a smoker and comes down with cancer, but he considers himself a Christian in his smoking state. He has ignored the verse that says, "If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are."  1Co 3:17  Instead this man focuses on Act 16:31  "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved..." Clinging to the false teaching that ALL one has to do is BELIEVE, NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.  He continues smoking and eating unhealthy, all the while attending church and telling himself that he is "right with God." 

The 2nd man has a FALSE FAITH.  TRUE FAITH will lead us to ask God to help us stop doing the things that are unhealthy for us (we cannot stop doing those things on our own, but "with God, all things are possible"). 

In your illustration above, are both men born from above, 'In Christ of the Father', redeemed by the blood of the Lamb, justified, Hidden with Christ in God, reconciled to God by the work of Christ and have His imputed Righteousness?