Will the Lord find faith upon the earth?

[Guest AFlameOfFire]

It does say there will be a departure from the faith, and given the days of Noah where it shows us that 8 souls were saved there, that is under the number of 10 righteous (which Abraham asked the LORD about) when it come to sparing places like Sodom (which I believe were even less than those saved in Noah's time). How many? There was Lot, (his wife, but she looked back) and his two daughters (and the son in laws would have been there but they thought he must be kidding or something) so Lot and his 2 daughters would be the ones who would be counted as spared also.

Genesis 18:32 Peradventure ten shall be found there. And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.

So 8 by water in Noahs time and 3 by fire in Lot's time, is that correct?

 

 

[JohnR7]

On 7/31/2021 at 11:54 AM, Mike Mclees said:

So who was Jesus speaking of? 

He is speaking about people who cry out to Him day and night. Do they continue to have faith and believe until they receive their request for justice or do they lose hope when the answer to prayer is delayed. 

[biblelesson]

19 hours ago, Josheb said:

Have you read the op? Have you read through the thread? 

If not then please do so. The op asks one very specific question and that is the question most of us are answering. The other poster took a portion of something I said and attempted to use it to introduce an unrelated agenda into the conversation (virgins/buildings without oil/faith), and I'm not having anything to do with the attempt. Everything I've posted should be understood within the context of the op's single inquiry, 

 

Will the Lord find faith upon the earth when he returns?

 

My answer, and as far as I can tell the answer of most others is overwhelmingly in the affirmative. Jesus will find faith (and faithful faithfulness) when he returns.

No, it's not that I did not understand the question or the thread.  Faith is throughout the bible from Genesis to Revelation. There is no way to dictate to a person how to think or process information based on a simple question, especially when no one said, "Oh, you must answer in this way." 

Nonetheless, my statement to you was, I did not understand what you were saying.  I was letting you know that your comments were not said in a way to where it could be understood based on true bible knowledge.  You were rambling on without any reference to scripture which is a dangerous thing to do. My opinion and your opinion does not matter.  We are not God!  We can think what we want, but we can't say anyone should hear us simply because we said it, especially if God did not say it in His word.   

Edited August 4, 2021 by biblelesson

[Leonardo Von]

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Will the Lord find faith upon the earth?

Faith there is, but the problem is "what kind of faith people are having in Christ"?

[TCC]

Great question. I believe this refers to a time nearest His literal physical second coming (in context of verses). 

[Leonardo Von]

39 minutes ago, Josheb said:

The question muddies the waters by implying there are many kinds of faith, along with the possibility there are some forms of faith that save and some that do not. 

Precisely. There are many kind of faith.

For being more clear: there are many "Jesus" spread abroad. But the only Jesus that saves is the Jesus that is pictured in the Holy Scripture. In other words, who saves isn't who we imagine that Jesus is, but who Jesus REALLY IS.

For instance: many people preach Jesus as a "genius of the lamp", someone that came to attend all our desires. And this isn't truth! 
The real Jesus demand of us that we deny ourselves, take up our cross daily, and follow Him. (Luke 9:23). 

 

Many people say that they accepted Jesus. But they accepted Him how? As an employee, an slave, only as their savior?
Accept Jesus thus is easy. Our great defy is accept Jesus as our unique LORD, Savior and Treasure, the unique and true God.

[Your closest friendnt]

On 8/4/2021 at 12:46 AM, JohnR7 said:

He is speaking about people who cry out to Him day and night. Do they continue to have faith and believe until they receive their request for justice or do they lose hope when the answer to prayer is delayed. 

Hello JohnR7, is this about Luke 18:7, and 8. Because the people in verse 8 are not the same as the people in v.7.

Personally I avoid and I do not like to point out to others something they have misconstrue in their attempt to intrepid scripture. 

But on the other hand it's not about me and what I like and I don't like and how I feel about it. 

More important is to correctly understand what we read and not to let our feelings dictate to us when to point out something or not.

In simple words I don't agree with your interpretation of Luke 18:7,8 because your interpretation cannot be supported by the context in that scripture.

In v7 in Luke 18: Jesus said about those in v.7 that cry day and night and that God will see that they get Justice and very quickly. 

Comments about the first group in v.7:

They were crying out day and night and Jesus said that God will do Justice to them. 

Jesus only identifies them with the words "they cry out day and night".

Q1. But who are they?

Q2. What do they want?

Q3. How God will do Justice to them. 

Q4. What was their Complaint that they cry out to God day or night without seizing? 

We know the starting point of each one who is part of this group, their beginning of starting to cry out day and night to God about something. It cannot be the day they were born, it must be at some time later, and at a more specific time or age where they had come to expect something and then something happened to them that it was not what they were expecting, this is why cry day and night to God to do justice to them.  

Q5. Can we find out who is the first one to begin crying out to God day and night for the matter in relation to the people in the group of v.7?

Q6. Who is the longer person who cried out day and night to God? 

This group of people in v.7, cannot be the same group of people in v.7.

(I have to Justify that statement now and give my reasons as to why the group of people in v.7 is not or it cannot be the same group of people in v.8.).

* The v.7 begins with:

And will not God do about justice for his chosen ones, who cry....

(This is telling us that the people in v.7  are Gods chosen people).

Jesus in v.8 begins with:

I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. 

(Jesus is telling us that the time he is speaking those words, God has not yet done justice to them, as if at the time when Jesus is saying those words they are still crying to God continuously.

Because Jesus said, He (referring to God) will see that they get justice and quickly. 

Jesus is saying that as of the moment he was speaking to them that has not happened, but that is about to happened and quickly. 

V.8 He will see (a future happening, about something that has not happened yet, but it will happen quickly). 

In a few words.

The chosen people of God who are crying day or night are still as at that time Jesus is saying those things to them, are still waiting for God to do justice to them. 

And Jesus said the time of God to do Justice to them is coming quickly. 

Then Jesus in v.8 continues with the word "HOWEVER" and he wants to talk about another group of people who gave up on their faith in him.

The first group is crying to God, but the group in v.8 is about faith in the Son of Man. Faith that Jesus is the Christ indeed. 

V.8 When the Son of Man cometh, will he find faith on the earth. 

(It does not asks if the Son of man " will he find faith in God" on the earth")

in v.8 is not God who comes to the earth, it is about Jesus, "the Son of Man"

(who at some time must have left the earth because it says )

 when he cometh back to the earth, at that specific time

(within that narrow window) (at that's stretch of time) till the people start believing in him again, beginning with the women and his disciples right after his resurrection. )]

he will look to find if anyone who still have faith in him still believing that he is the Christ of God, and he won't find any, for this sort period of time. 

Jesus said that what will happen when he dies on the Cross, that he will disappoint all who believe in him and who at the time on his death on the Cross they all stopped believing that he was the Christ. They could not understand that time that Jesus Christ had to die first and then live forever. 

That's why Jesus said that because when he returned to the earth with his resurrection everyone at that time had stopped believing in him that he is the Christ. 

So Jesus the Son of man when he returned to earth from the place of the dead he did not find anyone waiting and still believing in him to be the Christ of God.

Luke 18:7,8

7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

We know that Jesus Christ died for all the people of the world.

That he died for the people who had died before him, and who he met in the place of the dead. 

The chosen people of God who had died before him and where crying to God to do Justice to them and whom Jesus met and they were happy to see him and believe in him and were raised together with Jesus Christ from the dead. 

That's why Jesus Christ said that God will do justice to them speedily. 

Jesus knew by that time what will happen to him, how he will die and that he will be raised from the dead and not alone but with the chosen people of God with him. And not only them but also with anyone who believed in him because the moment they believed in him they were part of his Redemption plan they were under his blood they were in him , they were belonging and were his "body". 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[JohnR7]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Personally I avoid and I do not like to point out to others something they have misconstrue in their attempt to intrepid scripture. 

What is getting misconstrued is your understanding of what I said. 

The word of God is so simple a child can understand. We do not need to use a lot of words. 

[Your closest friendnt]

On 8/4/2021 at 12:46 AM, JohnR7 said:

He is speaking about people who cry out to Him day and night. Do they continue to have faith and believe until they receive their request for justice or do they lose hope when the answer to prayer is delayed. 

As per your request, I will give you what you asked.

I will give you another take with a few words, and simple enough for children to understand. 

This is the scriptures reference Luke 18:7,8

7 And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? 8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?”

Scripture        

7. And will not God bring about justice to his chosen ones,who cry out to him day and night. 

Your comments 

* He is speaking about people who cry out to him day and night. 

Scripture Luke 18: 7

** And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night?

*** you cannot be right, it's impossible to be right.              Your comments are addressing a time period after the Cross and is towards people who are believers that Jesus Christ has died on the Cross and God has exalted him and we can pray to him. Your post is towards Christians. 

Your comments are for believers in Jesus Christ and howto pray. 

In v.7 Jesus is speaking to the Jews to people around him at that time.

He is not speaking (for emphasis to Gentile believers who are under his blood, no one was under his blood that time, as it was before the Cross). 

Jesus is speaking to people who were under the Law of Moses. Because at that time the Law of Moses was still valid. Still in effect.

Not abolished yet. Before his death on the Cross. 

The Law was not nail on the Cross yet.

The path to righteousness from the Law ends when along the Way meets the Cross of Jesus Christ. 

That time when Jesus said that we do not have Christians. 

Jesus was talking about the chosen people of God before Abraham.  

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the descendants of Jacob were not the ones who cried day and night for Justice. 

They were the chosen people of God before Abraham. 

If they were the chosen people of God in Abraham that would include Abraham, Issac, Jacob, all the house of Jacob...including King David...

Jesus Christ told us that Abraham and his descendants after him are rejoicing while they wait for him. 

Jesus is referring to the chosen people of God who are already dead, those who had died before Abraham, they were not with Abraham and they were not alive to God after their death the way Abraham was alive to God after his death. 

Not in Heaven, but still alive to God.

God was still his God after he had died.

Jesus never said they cry out to him.

And that they are his chosen people, that they are Christians that is impossible to have said that.

Cry out to God? Those who heard him, devoted Jews they could never say that Jesus was talking about us. They would say: we are not crying out to God, we are the seed of Abraham, we are the happy peoples of God. 

The Pharisees would understand him but not the Seduces. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[JohnR7]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Your comments are addressing a time period after the Cross

Have you been to Bible College? You are right the FIRST consideration are the original audience that Jesus is talking to. Yet at the same time Jesus is talking to ever man, women and child who ever lived. So we ask the question, what is Jesus saying to you, what is Jesus saying to me and what is He saying to us. 

We are talking about the Justice of God. God has impressed it upon me many times that He is a God of absolute and perfect Justice. Just as precise as the universe (cosmos) is precise and exact. God did not change at Calvary, He is always the same: yesterday, today and tomorrow. His righteous standard for us and our life is the same. Every man, women and child that has ever lived receives the same justice from God. If they were born before or after calvary. 

There is a difference between the old and the new covenant. The Old has to do with the Hebrew nation, the descendants of Abraham who is a descendant of Adam. The New Covenant has to do with the Gentiles and what was revealed through Jesus.

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Jesus is speaking to people who were under the Law of Moses. Because at that time the Law of Moses was still valid. Still in effect.

 I do not think you understand the purpose of the Torah that was given through Moses. Even Paul will tell you in Romans that David explains this. He had a clear understanding of the  purpose of what you call the "Law". Romans 1:17 "just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”e That little e is a reference to David in the Psalms who Paul is clearly quoting. When Paul says: "It is written" we need to look to see who is writing what. 

We run into an issue that no one is good, but we can all be right. Paul will tell us what David tells us that there are benefits for being good before God. There are consequences if we do not live good or right before God. But then there is a righteousness that comes through faith apart from the Law because of the price that Jesus paid for us at Calvary. 

Paul is pointing out to us what David is teaching about the Torah or the "Law of Moses". David was a man after God's heart and David clearly understood God's "Law". David talks about his love for the commandments: Psalm 119"47And I will delight myself in thy commandments, which I have loved". I have to ask why does David LOVE the commandments of God. Because they are designed to protect him and keep him safe.