The Sabbath

[Waggles]

9 minutes ago, johnthebaptist said:

Are you opposed to sin?

I am opposed to a lot of things - what has that to do with "observing" the sabbath on any particular day??

[johnthebaptist]

5 minutes ago, Waggles said:

I am opposed to a lot of things - what has that to do with "observing" the sabbath on any particular day??

You speak of the law of Moses. Moses taught us not to sin. I was wondering what you think of sin.

[Waggles]

2 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

You speak of the law of Moses. Moses taught us not to sin. I was wondering what you think of sin.

Let the Jews worry about Moses; as for me Jesus taught me not to sin and through Jesus I received the Holy Spirit from my Father. Now I have the knowledge and the power to overcome sin and to pray for mercy when I do stumble.

Titus 2:11  For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 
12  training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 
13  waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ, 
14  who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.  [ESV]

Edited August 2, 2021 by Waggles

[johnthebaptist]

5 minutes ago, Waggles said:

Let the Jews worry about Moses; as for me Jesus taught me not to sin and through Jesus I received the Holy spirit from my Father. Now I have the knowledge and the power to overcome sin and to pray for mercy when I do stumble.

Titus 2:11  For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, 
12  training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, 
13  waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ, 
14  who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.  [ESV]

I'm not talking about Moses. I'm talking about sin.

[Tammy Roesch]

9 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I've seen people argue endlessly about whether the sabbath should be Saturday or Sunday. The sabbath is supposed to be the last day of the week, and if you look at a calendar, that would be Saturday. On the other hand, when I get up on Monday morning, it feels like a new week.

Have you ever noticed that it's the ONLY ONE of all 10 Commandments that God said, "REMEMBER"???....and it's the ONLY ONE of all 10 Commandments that most of the CHRISTIAN WORLD has FORGOTTEN.  God knows the end from the beginning and He KNEW that of all the 10 Commandments, THIS is the ONE that the MAJORITY would FORGET about.  And that is why He warned us 6000 years ago to REMEMBER.

Does it matter which day we keep?  Apparently God thinks it does.  He could just as easily have said that we were free to choose any day of the weekly cycle to worship Him on, as long as we pick one....but He didn't do that...HE picked the 7th Day and made it HOLY.  He said, 

 

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"REMEMBER the Sabbath day to keep it Holy.  Six days shalt thou labor and do all thy work.  But the 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.  In it thou shalt not do any work..."  Exodus 20:8-11.

And keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with the Jews.  When God gave Moses the 10 Commandments, there were no Jews.  He gave the Law to HIS PEOPLE, who at THAT TIME was the Israelites...and later on it was the Jews, and TODAY, it's YOU AND ME.

I LOVE the Sabbath! I've been keeping it all my life and I'm 60 years old.  I SO LOOK FORWARD after a busy week, to that 24 hour period where I don't do any work or any business.  It's not a burden! Far from it!  It's like getting the spiritual battery recharged for the next week.  

[johnthebaptist]

15 minutes ago, Tammy Roesch said:

Have you ever noticed that it's the ONLY ONE of all 10 Commandments that God said, "REMEMBER"???....and it's the ONLY ONE of all 10 Commandments that most of the CHRISTIAN WORLD has FORGOTTEN.  God knows the end from the beginning and He KNEW that of all the 10 Commandments, THIS is the ONE that the MAJORITY would FORGET about.  And that is why He warned us 6000 years ago to REMEMBER.

Does it matter which day we keep?  Apparently God thinks it does.  He could just as easily have said that we were free to choose any day of the weekly cycle to worship Him on, as long as we pick one....but He didn't do that...HE picked the 7th Day and made it HOLY.  He said, 

 

And keeping the Sabbath has nothing to do with the Jews.  When God gave Moses the 10 Commandments, there were no Jews.  He gave the Law to HIS PEOPLE, who at THAT TIME was the Israelites...and later on it was the Jews, and TODAY, it's YOU AND ME.

I LOVE the Sabbath! I've been keeping it all my life and I'm 60 years old.  I SO LOOK FORWARD after a busy week, to that 24 hour period where I don't do any work or any business.  It's not a burden! Far from it!  It's like getting the spiritual battery recharged for the next week.  

So if a new calendar company arose and made Wednesday the last day of the week, and the whole world came to accept this calendar, would Wednesday be the sabbath?

[Tammy Roesch]

1 minute ago, johnthebaptist said:

So if a new calendar company arose and made Wednesday the last day of the week, and the whole world came to accept this calendar, would Wednesday be the sabbath?

No, there has never been a loss of the weekly cycle.  For a while some countries had 10 day working weeks....it didn't change anything because God has protected the weekly cycle and He always will.  

[johnthebaptist]

3 minutes ago, Tammy Roesch said:

No, there has never been a loss of the weekly cycle.  For a while some countries had 10 day working weeks....it didn't change anything because God has protected the weekly cycle and He always will.  

What would stop a person from printing a calendar that placed Wednesday as the last day of the week?

[Tammy Roesch]

Just now, johnthebaptist said:

What would stop a person from printing a calendar that placed Wednesday as the last day of the week?

Nothing....that has been done....but you can ask scientists or whoever....and everyone will tell you that no days were ever lost.  Just as God has protected the Bible during the Dark Ages, He has protected the Sabbath.  There has ALWAYS been Sabbath keepers....they have always been in the minority....but that shouldn't surprise us...the TRUTH is rarely in the MAJORITY.

[walla299]

10 hours ago, johnthebaptist said:

I've seen people argue endlessly about whether the sabbath should be Saturday or Sunday. The sabbath is supposed to be the last day of the week, and if you look at a calendar, that would be Saturday. On the other hand, when I get up on Monday morning, it feels like a new week.

. . . and it looks like the "fight" is still going on. 

I recently left a church that got to legalistic about the "Sabbath." That's all I'm going to say on that.

For the rest: If you want to keep Sabbath and feel like that's what the Lord wants you to do - great! By all means do so. It's also fine if you are not lead to do so. The choice is left to the individual.