Is that His real name Jesus?

[Kelly2363]

2 hours ago, Ancient said:

First thankyou for your rationale and kindness. As to your question about James it is quite simple if you can look up the name of James from your Bible in the Greek you will find it says Ιακωβος pronounced Iakobos. This is the same as the Greek word for Jacob in the NT. Now if you use the Septuagint the Greek translation of the Hebrew OT you will find the same Greek word there. 

shalom friend

 

Shalom Shannon

Having no wish to discourage you brother perhaps all I can say is to send the Hebrew passage to Rabbi Darryl Weinberg (if you know him) and ask him what the relevance of the words are when speaking into the meaning of the name of Jesus derived from Hebrew. Although you are in the same network as Rabbi Darryl Weinberg you can also ask any Rabbinical scholar and they would give the precise same meaning unless they are not Messianic - and then they could for all that derive the same semantic domain - salvation - though a rejection of Jesus as Messiah. I say this because your direction is predicated on linguistics and is pressing you into the same error that can be found in the New Testament in Galatians 2:12.

That seems surprising to myself seeing as you came out of the pentecostal church. If we truly desire to serve other brethren to understand the precious power of words then we must go back to their inception and not simple state their meaning. 

May the Lord bless you and fill your cup to overflowing. 

In Christ

[Ancient]

It has been bought to my attention that I have caused offence to some people here by the moderators. Please forgive me for the offences I have caused to some here. We are all passionate about our beliefs. Yes I should have conveyed things differently.

But I also need would like to ask the moderators to please not show partiality in making judgements. I have received attacks also. Please have a balanced scale. Yahweh specifically warns against showing partiality.

Shalom Friends

[Ancient]

6 hours ago, Kelly2363 said:

 

Shalom Shannon

Having no wish to discourage you brother perhaps all I can say is to send the Hebrew passage to Rabbi Darryl Weinberg (if you know him) and ask him what the relevance of the words are when speaking into the meaning of the name of Jesus derived from Hebrew. Although you are in the same network as Rabbi Darryl Weinberg you can also ask any Rabbinical scholar and they would give the precise same meaning unless they are not Messianic - and then they could for all that derive the same semantic domain - salvation - though a rejection of Jesus as Messiah. I say this because your direction is predicated on linguistics and is pressing you into the same error that can be found in the New Testament in Galatians 2:12.

That seems surprising to myself seeing as you came out of the pentecostal church. If we truly desire to serve other brethren to understand the precious power of words then we must go back to their inception and not simple state their meaning. 

May the Lord bless you and fill your cup to overflowing. 

In Christ

Thank you for your kind words

 

Shalom

[Kelly2363]

15 minutes ago, Ancient said:

Thank you for your kind words

 

Shalom

Shalom Shannon

To encourage you brother two of the moderator team agreed with what I said to you which you found to be kind words. Perhaps that knowledge will help to balance the scale of your concern.

A Just balance and scale belong to the Lord - all the weights of the bag are His concern.

God Bless you and richly open the way before you in all things.

In Christ

Edited August 10, 2021 by Kelly2363

[The_Patriot21]

12 hours ago, Ancient said:

Yes Yeshua's brother was call Jacob not James. This itself should pose the question why did they not represent this accurately. what is wrong with the name Jacob?

The word Pentecost. This was the Feast of Weeks. A Hebrew Feast day commanded by God to keep. Why were there thousands of people in Jerusalem at that time. They had to be there it was commanded by God 3 times a year all your males must appear before God, Passover, Feast of Weeks/Shavout/Pentecost and Feast of Tabernacles. 

They were all there still in obedience to God after the death and resurrection of Yeshua. Hmmm. Pentecost is not a Christian day it is a Hebrew Feast day.  The thousands that were added in Acts 2 were devout Jews from all the countries round about being obedient observing the Feast of Shavuot. Hmmmm.

Shalom Friend

 

Well...Jesus brothers were barely mentioned and really served no role at all other then to show Mary did not remain a virgin after having Jesus (contrary to traditional catholic beliefs but i digress) so that doesnt change the meaning of the passage at all...translators could have named him big John and it wouldn't have affected anything. As it stands i see nothing to suggest it isnt james. You havent even presented the greek text. 

As far as pentacost...again its a word used to mark the event...used by hebrews today as a matter of fact. The hebrews dont even contest that. It clearly marks the holiday you speak of so even if it is the wrong name-which you havent presented any actual evidence to show they did-it doesnt change the meaning of the passage in the slightest.

So that brings us back to can you list any such example where the changed words actually changed the meaning of the text...and i guess i should add "provide evidence"

[Kelly2363]

3 hours ago, Josheb said:

 

Passion is not what drives our posts. That is a red herring. What others do or don't do is irrelevant; tu quoque is a fallacy. The scales are balanced (others have been admonished, too). @clancy, can you maybe link Ancient to that op on apologies (since it will be in your profile page in your activities history). 

 

Keep the posts about the posts. Evidence  the repentance by a change in the posts and no one will have any problems with you or your posts. 

 

Here is what remains unanswered: 

I read a lot of good and helpful information but I do not read any answers to the questions asked:

• Why were the names changed? 
• What is the purpose of the op?
• Why do you think the names were changed?
• Is its purpose to imply or otherwise insinuate there is a problem with the Bible?
• Is some conspiracy thought to have existed?
• Yehshus/Yahoshua" and "Yakov"?  
• Do you believe there will be more (new) scripture written?  
• Please prove using the Hebrew names would preserve Hebrew culture.
• Are aware the Jews got a few things wrong?
• Given the fact the Jews got a few things wrong we'd want to be cautious about automatic reliance on Hebrew and the Jewish view of their own scriptures, yes? 
• Will you please evidence the New Testament was originally written in Aramaic?  
• From what is it the Jews thought God saved? 
• Was Jesus called "Yeshua" or was he called "Salvation"?
• Please prove every Hebrew word is "concrete" in every way. 
• Are you suggesting Matthew 3:13 should read ""Then Salvation arrived from Galilee at the Jordan coming to John, to be baptized by him."? 
• What difference do you think would occur if all the English-speaking people started using the names/
• Would you please keep the posts about the posts and not the posters?

 

All those questions but the last one are directly related to this op and none of them have been answered. If a discussion of this op is truly desired and repentance is to evidenced then pick one of those questions and answer it. 

Then pick another and answer it. 

And then another. 

 

 

Because the conversation we could and should be having is not being had. 

 

I believe that brother Shannon stated earlier, "This will be my last post on this thread." He redacted that statement insofar as he came back to make an apology:

It has been bought to my attention that I have caused offence to some people here by the moderators. Please forgive me for the offences I have caused to some here. We are all passionate about our beliefs. Yes I should have conveyed things differently.

He also appealed to the moderators to show some balance, as he perceived things.

He also said that this was the first forum he had ever joined. 

פֶּ֤לֶס׀ וּמֹאזְנֵ֣י מִ֭שְׁפָּט לַֽיהוָ֑ה מַ֝עֲשֵׂ֗הוּ כָּל־אַבְנֵי־כִֽיס׃ Proverbs 16:11

 

[Ancient]

7 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Well...Jesus brothers were barely mentioned and really served no role at all other then to show Mary did not remain a virgin after having Jesus (contrary to traditional catholic beliefs but i digress) so that doesnt change the meaning of the passage at all...translators could have named him big John and it wouldn't have affected anything. As it stands i see nothing to suggest it isnt james. You havent even presented the greek text. 

As far as pentacost...again its a word used to mark the event...used by hebrews today as a matter of fact. The hebrews dont even contest that. It clearly marks the holiday you speak of so even if it is the wrong name-which you havent presented any actual evidence to show they did-it doesnt change the meaning of the passage in the slightest.

So that brings us back to can you list any such example where the changed words actually changed the meaning of the text...and i guess i should add "provide evidence"

I provided the Greek text in another post. 

 

Shalom Friend

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[Alive]

13 hours ago, Ancient said:

It has been bought to my attention that I have caused offence to some people here by the moderators. Please forgive me for the offences I have caused to some here. We are all passionate about our beliefs. Yes I should have conveyed things differently.

But I also need would like to ask the moderators to please not show partiality in making judgements. I have received attacks also. Please have a balanced scale. Yahweh specifically warns against showing partiality.

Shalom Friends

Good Morning or Evening Ancient. You are very new here at worthy, so I assumed that you may not have been cognizant of the Terms of Service we all agreed to, so the customary warning on that specific post that contains a higher level of transgression than what we usually see. So in addition to that typical warning, I sent you a PM kindly explaining some things and pointing you to the TOS.

Debates can take place without insults directed at members, rather than the topic unders discussion. As has been said, we are all brethren and we all seek the truth in things. As long as scripturally mandated behavior is maintained and we are consistent with scripture---one member's post is as valuable as another's--in the context of a debate. So we honor that by having a two way conversation--together.

As George wisely wrote---disagreeing with a member is not an attack against that member.

And yes--we all need a reminder to adhere to the Terms of Service now and then, so this had become a sort of object lesson. Let us serve the Lord by serving each other.

[The_Patriot21]

7 hours ago, Ancient said:

I provided the Greek text in another post. 

 

Shalom Friend

Still doesnt answer what changed meaningwise.