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Jesus said you must believe in His deity in order to be saved. But, nowhere is belief in the Trinity explicity demanded for salvation.

But, seeing as Jesus said you must believe He is God... and assuming that the person also believes that the Father is God... it stands to reason that they believe in the Trinity... unless they are Oneness.

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Hey T&O, long time no see... well is this considered seeing :24: ... well I think you know what I mean :) .

I know I don't post here as much as I would like to, but I do read alot. For those who don't know, I am a "Oneness" Pentecostal. I do not believe in the Trinity. Does that mean I am not saved? Does that mean that I am not a christian? Does that mean my relationship with Jesus Christ, my Lord, is not a real relationship? What about a Trinitarian Pentecostal, are they saved just because they believe in the Trinity? :P

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Brother...If you are saved...you will come to confess the Triune God. God does not lie to believers about Who He is. I am not saying you aren't saved...perhaps you are misled or something...but if you are truly born again...the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.

You must have the right God, the right Jesus, to be saved. And this, I am sure you agree with. God bless.

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"If you are saved...you will come to confess the Triune God." Which book of the Bible is this in? :21: You do not have to understand the Godhead to be saved.

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Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. The Triune God is Truth. If you willfully and knowingly deny and reject the Trinity/Godhead...you are not saved. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead into all lies.

And the "meat" comment was to all who are newly saved and journeying to know more of the fulness of Christ...which, of course, includes, among other doctrines, the Godhead.

God bless you.

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Jesus said you must believe in His deity in order to be saved. But, nowhere is belief in the Trinity explicity demanded for salvation.

But, seeing as Jesus said you must believe He is God... and assuming that the person also believes that the Father is God... it stands to reason that they believe in the Trinity... unless they are Oneness.

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Hey T&O, long time no see... well is this considered seeing :24: ... well I think you know what I mean :21: .

I know I don't post here as much as I would like to, but I do read alot. For those who don't know, I am a "Oneness" Pentecostal. I do not believe in the Trinity. Does that mean I am not saved? Does that mean that I am not a christian? Does that mean my relationship with Jesus Christ, my Lord, is not a real relationship? What about a Trinitarian Pentecostal, are they saved just because they believe in the Trinity? :P

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Brother...If you are saved...you will come to confess the Triune God. God does not lie to believers about Who He is. I am not saying you aren't saved...perhaps you are misled or something...but if you are truly born again...the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.

You must have the right God, the right Jesus, to be saved. And this, I am sure you agree with. God bless.

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"If you are saved...you will come to confess the Triune God." Which book of the Bible is this in? :) You do not have to understand the Godhead to be saved.

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Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. The Triune God is Truth. If you willfully and knowingly deny and reject the Trinity/Godhead...you are not saved. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead into all lies.

And the "meat" comment was to all who are newly saved and journeying to know more of the fulness of Christ...which, of course, includes, among other doctrines, the Godhead.

God bless you.

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Well if this is what determines if you are saved, by your definition I am not saved. :P

By the way, the same thing could be said about you from my prospective. In fact I hear this from "some" Oneness people about Trinitarians. I do not agree with them. Also I do not believe "The Triune God is Truth". I don't want to get into the whole Oneness/Trinity thing. :24: I serve and worship the God of the Bible. My God and my saviour is Jesus Christ. :P


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Halifaxchristian, I would also like to add that I hope nothing that I said above is coming across as me being angry or with an attitude? :24: I do not feel that way, and I don't want to come across that way. :21:


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"If you are saved...you will come to confess the Triune God."


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Luke does not say "the temple mount", it says, "the streets of Jerusalem."

However it was the decision of the government of the Nation of Israel to let the Warf keep the security of the temple mount, so those that are there are there at the will of the Israeli government.


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People,

Did Jesus REALLY come to make salvation as hard as everyone here purports ? :blink: All I've seen is a bunch of legalistic standards that one must obtain before God will give you salvation...where in the Bible does it say that ? :)

Salvation is easy people. We are sheep- therefore we are stupid. He [ Jesus ] came to restore that which WE messed up- how hard is it ? Really ?

Acts 16:30-31

30 He then brought them out and asked, "Sirs, what must I do to be saved?"

31 They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved


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Jesus said you must believe in His deity in order to be saved. But, nowhere is belief in the Trinity explicity demanded for salvation.

But, seeing as Jesus said you must believe He is God... and assuming that the person also believes that the Father is God... it stands to reason that they believe in the Trinity... unless they are Oneness.

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Hey T&O, long time no see... well is this considered seeing :blink: ... well I think you know what I mean :) .

I know I don't post here as much as I would like to, but I do read alot. For those who don't know, I am a "Oneness" Pentecostal. I do not believe in the Trinity. Does that mean I am not saved? Does that mean that I am not a christian? Does that mean my relationship with Jesus Christ, my Lord, is not a real relationship? What about a Trinitarian Pentecostal, are they saved just because they believe in the Trinity? :)

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Brother...If you are saved...you will come to confess the Triune God. God does not lie to believers about Who He is. I am not saying you aren't saved...perhaps you are misled or something...but if you are truly born again...the Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth.

You must have the right God, the right Jesus, to be saved. And this, I am sure you agree with. God bless.

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"If you are saved...you will come to confess the Triune God." Which book of the Bible is this in? :P You do not have to understand the Godhead to be saved.

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Jesus said that the Holy Spirit would guide us into all truth. The Triune God is Truth. If you willfully and knowingly deny and reject the Trinity/Godhead...you are not saved. The Holy Spirit doesn't lead into all lies.

And the "meat" comment was to all who are newly saved and journeying to know more of the fulness of Christ...which, of course, includes, among other doctrines, the Godhead.

God bless you.

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Well if this is what determines if you are saved, by your definition I am not saved. :P

By the way, the same thing could be said about you from my prospective. In fact I hear this from "some" Oneness people about Trinitarians. I do not agree with them. Also I do not believe "The Triune God is Truth". I don't want to get into the whole Oneness/Trinity thing. :huh: I serve and worship the God of the Bible. My God and my saviour is Jesus Christ. :P

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I would agree on your oneness point. One of us is right and one of us is wrong. God does not lie or confuse. Jesus said that if we seek we will find. We'd better make sure we have the right Jesus and the right God. Even paul warned against those that would preach another Gospel and another Jesus. God bless you...


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Remember people...some people accept Jesus as "Saviour" without the Holy Ghosts leading...without knowing Who He is...in essence...some people accept "another Jesus". This is Scriptural. Even Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say that I am?". It is not confusing to get saved...it is very easy. The Holy Spirit draws us to the Saviour Jesus and we confess Him as Lord. The Spirit does not lie to born again children of God about Who Jesus is and Who God is. If two different people claim to be "saved" and they differ about Who God is...one of them is right and one is wrong. To say that Christianity is the broad path, and not the narrow way, is a contradiction of Biblical proportions.

God bless you in seeking.


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Halifaxchristian, I would also like to add that I hope nothing that I said above is coming across as me being angry or with an attitude?  :huh: I do not feel that way, and I don't want to come across that way.  :blink:

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Thankyou for adding that! Sometimes I may come across as aggressive or hostile...do not be mistaken my friend. I am passionate and uncompromising, but my intentions are not to attack anyone personally but to help all of us come to Biblical conclusions that we will not repent of.

God bless you.


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Remember people...some people accept Jesus as "Saviour" without the Holy Ghosts leading...without knowing Who He is...in essence...some people accept "another Jesus".  This is Scriptural.  Even Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say that I am?".  It is not confusing to get saved...it is very easy.  The Holy Spirit draws us to the Saviour Jesus and we confess Him as Lord.  The Spirit does not lie to born again children of God about Who Jesus is and Who God is.  If two different people claim to be "saved" and they differ about Who God is...one of them is right and one is wrong.  To say that Christianity is the broad path, and not the narrow way, is a contradiction of Biblical proportions.

God bless you in seeking.

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Got to agree with you there my brother :blink:

God bless you,

Tim

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