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It 's just that people get confused regarding Trinity and this isn't God wants for His people.

God is surely not an author of confusion.

When God made everything plain, people has no reason and excuse to believe in and follow a mysterious doctrine man has incorporated.

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re: Is belief in the Trinity essential to one's Salvation?

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The answer is NO belief in the Trinity is not an essential and here are some reasons why I say this.

1. The old testament time believers did not comprehend the doctrine of the trinity. those who would say that they did then can expian away how it is that Judaism today does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity, since this would be a major change in the belief of One God to a Triune God

2. When asked the Appostels did not identify Jesus was God However Peter under inspiration does Identify him as the Son of God.

3.The thief that died next to Jesus did he believe in the Trinity. He did believe in the Kingdom and he believed in the resurrection and he did believe that Jesus was innocent of the the crimes he was charged with however no indication that he believed in what some claim to be essential for salvation, namely the Trinity.

4.There is no scripture that spacificly says that in less you believe that the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are all God that you will not have salvation.

5. The word Trinity is no where to be found in the Bible

6.Even those that believe in the Trinity admit that it is such a mystery that it can not be understood and at the same time insist that it is essential for salvation.

7.The scriptures shows that belief that Jesus is the Son of God and the only means that God has provide for salvation and that the Father GAVE his Son the authority that he has.

8. At John 20. 17 Clearly shows that the Father is God even to Jesus himself. How is it poisabel for Jesus whom is supposed to be 100% God For him then to also have a God himself.

9.John 17. 3 says This means everlasting life their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and of the one you sent forth Jesus Christ. Jesus clearly is indicating that the Father is the only true God of which here he dose not include himself.

There are many more scriptures and reasons that I believe that the Trinity is NOT essential for salvation. However I admit that there are scriptures that seem to point to the Trinitarian perswation However as many as I have asked about these all where unable to give satisfactory answers to the points mentioned above. So it is my hope that there will be someone able to answer these points I raise since if it is essentail I want to know it. :whistling:

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re: Is belief in the Trinity essential to one's Salvation?

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No, in fact to get it right, I believe you have to see the trinity for what it is: A man-made doctrine that was not endorsed or taught by the disciples of Jesus. There are many views to the trinity and it is very confusing for most to talk about because it is not scripturally based. God has shown through His Word that He is one. (Galatians 3:20) He never says 3 in 1. This is as simple as it gets:

God is the Father of creation. God manifested Himself in flesh. (I Timothy 3:16) The Holy Spirit is God in us. Never does God have to be one or the other. They are all manifestations or roles of the one true God. Remember too, that there is only one God, and one mediator between GOD and man, the man Jesus Christ. When you start to show three "persons" in the Godhead, you eventually will lead to polytheism. Most of the scriptures used by trinitarians actually lead to binitarianism with the Holy Ghost being a sub-member of the three.

This is actually an unbiblical view of the relationships within the members of the God-head. It is in a sense a form of modalism. Modalism basically teaches that the members of the Trinity were God appearing in different modes (or expressions of His personality)

The problem with this view is that it basically ignores passages where members of the God-head are described as having different personalities and interacting with each other.

Actually as an Oneness Pentecostal, I can tell you that I am not a modalist. I am a monotheist. There is a difference. I believe in different manifestations of God, not different modes. God can manifest Himself in countless ways at the same time.

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re: Is belief in the Trinity essential to one's Salvation?

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The answer is NO belief in the Trinity is not an essential and here are some reasons why I say this.

1. The old testament time believers did not comprehend the doctrine of the trinity. those who would say that they did then can expian away how it is that Judaism today does not teach the doctrine of the Trinity, since this would be a major change in the belief of One God to a Triune God

2. When asked the Appostels did not identify Jesus was God However Peter under inspiration does Identify him as the Son of God.

3.The thief that died next to Jesus did he believe in the Trinity. He did believe in the Kingdom and he believed in the resurrection and he did believe that Jesus was innocent of the the crimes he was charged with however no indication that he believed in what some claim to be essential for salvation, namely the Trinity.

4.There is no scripture that spacificly says that in less you believe that the Father, Son, and Holy spirit are all God that you will not have salvation.

5. The word Trinity is no where to be found in the Bible

6.Even those that believe in the Trinity admit that it is such a mystery that it can not be understood and at the same time insist that it is essential for salvation.

7.The scriptures shows that belief that Jesus is the Son of God and the only means that God has provide for salvation and that the Father GAVE his Son the authority that he has.

8. At John 20. 17 Clearly shows that the Father is God even to Jesus himself. How is it poisabel for Jesus whom is supposed to be 100% God For him then to also have a God himself.

9.John 17. 3 says This means everlasting life their taking in knowledge of you the only true God and of the one you sent forth Jesus Christ. Jesus clearly is indicating that the Father is the only true God of which here he dose not include himself.

There are many more scriptures and reasons that I believe that the Trinity is NOT essential for salvation. However I admit that there are scriptures that seem to point to the Trinitarian perswation However as many as I have asked about these all where unable to give satisfactory answers to the points mentioned above. So it is my hope that there will be someone able to answer these points I raise since if it is essentail I want to know it. :P

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I personally think we'd all be better off to just drop the term "God" and relate to either "The Father" "The Son" or "The Spirit" if we all believe that the three exist and one must really have all three in their lives to really have any of them, the rest really doesn't make much difference in salvation and it would save a lot of division and headache's.

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re: Is belief in the Trinity essential to one's Salvation?

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Are Oneness Pentecostals going to hell? I think not. But I do remember how in Evangelical Christianity, everyone except Evangelicals are going to burn forever in endless torment. Catholics, Coptic Christians, Mormons, Oneness Pentecostals, and anyone else who doesn't believe in eternal security, or subscribe to the Nicene Creed... which isn't the Bible, but it is considered the word of God... in spite of Sola Scriptura. :)

The Trinity of the Bible is significantly different from the Trinity of the Nicene Creed. The three are one, but NOT "one substance." In John 17:22, Jesus prayed: "And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one." As far as I know, but correct me if I'm wrong, the Apostles were NOT of "one substance." :) From this verse I conclude the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are separate persons, working in perfect harmony of purpose, heart and mind. That is why the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are ONE God. :)

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So why would Jesus proclaim that the Father is the ONLY true God? Why He didn't consider Himself as part of that ONE TRUE GOD?

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So why would Jesus proclaim that the Father is the ONLY true God? Why He didn't consider Himself as part of that ONE TRUE GOD?

He did. John 20 [28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

If Thomas was incorrect, surely Jesus would have corrected him. Simple as that.

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He did. John 20 [28] And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God. [29] Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

If Thomas was incorrect, surely Jesus would have corrected him. Simple as that.

I'm sorry, but that doesn't answer my question. Why would Jesus proclaim that the Father is the ONLY true God?

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To answer your initial question in a nut shell...YES!

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