God did not teach us these things

[Hopefully]

15 minutes ago, Justin Adams said:

Astronomy is how the wise men found the place of Yeshua's birth

I understand the difference between astrology the predicing one’s future based off of their birth month; which I believe is a gateway to necromancy and palm reading consulting spell casters using ouija boards, etc.,  and Astronomy the study of the heavens which I believe has lead to this false Big Bang theory.

 I believe God initially provided us with the knowledge we needed about everything for activities of daily living in line with “his will”.  
 

Additional knowledge was provided to aid us is moving further from God. 
 

I see how Astrology and Astronomy both had good uses on earth for mapping locations and weather for farming, but now they are being used for evil and I think that was the teachers intent when they expounded upon the knowledge God had given us.

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[David1701]

14 hours ago, Hopefully said:

Giant’s are in the Bible. 

Yes, I know; but, how tall were they?  They were not 450 ft. (or more!), were they?

Edited September 5, 2021 by David1701

[Hopefully]

4 minutes ago, David1701 said:

Yes, I know; but, how tall were they?  They were not 450 ft., were they?

There are several references and stories in the Bible about Giants. Here is a size comparison for one.

The Grapes of Canaan by James Tissot. Although the spies brought back a cluster of grapes so large that it took two men to carry it (Numbers 13:23), only two of the twelve brought back a good report of the land.
 

A cluster of the grapes they would eat would take two men to carry. 

“And they came to the Valley of Eshcol and cut down from there a branch with a single cluster of grapes, and they carried it on a pole between two of them; they also brought some pomegranates and figs.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭13:23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭13:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

 

 

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[Alive]

Most estimates based on scriptures is between 9 and 15 feet.

Who knows---we weren't there. But based on weights of helmet and armor and staffs, there were some big ones and some kind of strong.

[David1701]

5 minutes ago, Hopefully said:

There are several references and stories in the Bible about Giants. Here is a size comparison for one.

The Grapes of Canaan by James Tissot. Although the spies brought back a cluster of grapes so large that it took two men to carry it (Numbers 13:23), only two of the twelve brought back a good report of the land.
 

A cluster of the grapes they would eat would take two men to carry. 

“And they came to the Valley of Eshcol and cut down from there a branch with a single cluster of grapes, and they carried it on a pole between two of them; they also brought some pomegranates and figs.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭13:23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“And they came unto the brook of Eshcol, and cut down from thence a branch with one cluster of grapes, and they bare it between two upon a staff; and they brought of the pomegranates, and of the figs.”
‭‭Numbers‬ ‭13:23‬ ‭KJV‬‬

 

 

 

The point is that there are clearly errors and gross exaggerations, in the Book of Enoch.  We should not take ANY doctrine from it, any more than we would take doctrine from any other uninspired book.

[Hopefully]

2 minutes ago, David1701 said:

We should not take ANY doctrine from it, any more than we would take doctrine from any other uninspired book.

I follow the doctrine of Christ and really am only speaking to the things it says fallen angels taught. Giants came from them mating with women and that’s also in the Bible.

Does the book of Enoch teach that Jesus Christ is not our lord and Savior? That he did not come to earth as a man and die for our sins?

Thats the only thing I’d have a problem with. 

 

[Justin Adams]

Sizes and number of people are sometime overstated for effect. The exodus is one such case in question. The actual numbers were inflated as simple math will dictate. Check it out. The numbers may be some kind of gematria or just for effect.

Often hyperbole is a prophet's tool and the various writers of scripture knew that.

It does not make them uninspired since inspiration is a process and not a one time supernatural even as we are often taught.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Just as an aside: I'm really not up to speed on the subject matter, but. Have you ever wondered; up to and including the age in which we live, why and when celestial bodies, asteroids, months, days, etc.; are named what they are? 

I will not go into any details about my thoughts, however; I find the name, timing, Wormwood and the asteroid Apophis very interesting. For fear of what is coming upon the earth???

Why 'they' try their best to distract attention from the greatest event and Person ever to walk the earth. By changing B.C. and A.D. to the common era? 

Just things that cross my mind...

The changing of AD and BC really bothers me and I refuse to use the new/current designations.

[David1701]

1 hour ago, Justin Adams said:

Sizes and number of people are sometime overstated for effect. The exodus is one such case in question. The actual numbers were inflated as simple math will dictate. Check it out. The numbers may be some kind of gematria or just for effect.

Often hyperbole is a prophet's tool and the various writers of scripture knew that.

It does not make them uninspired since inspiration is a process and not a one time supernatural even as we are often taught.

What do you mean by "inspiration is a process"?

[Justin Adams]

8 minutes ago, David1701 said:

What do you mean by "inspiration is a process"?

It happens over hundreds and thousands of years. Editorial input is obvious to scholars as well. Scriptures were compiled over a very long time with lots of hands in the mix. [youtube.com/watch?v=rd_Yx6z0HPI] "How we got the old testament"

Michael Heiser is a renown Hebrew scholar and translator of over 10 ancient languages and Cuneiform.