Eternal Security

[David1701]

19 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

We could also see it as referring to what was just said "If you hold firmly..."

If you don't hold firmly, you believed in vain.

 

If you took 1 Cor. 15:2, separated from the rest of the passage, then that might be a possible interpretation; but, the context is about the death and resurrection of the Lord and that, without the Lord's resurrection, faith in him would be in vain.

1 Cor. 15:1,2 (WEB)

1 Now I declare to you, brothers, the Good News which I preached to you, which also you received, in which you also stand,
2 by which also you are saved, if you hold firmly the word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

1 Cor. 15:12-17 (WEB)

12 Now if Christ is preached, that he has been raised from the dead, how do some among you say that there is no resurrection of the dead?
13 But if there is no resurrection of the dead, neither has Christ been raised.
14 If Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is in vain, and your faith also is in vain.
15 Yes, we are found false witnesses of God, because we testified about God that he raised up Christ, whom he didn’t raise up, if it is so that the dead are not raised.
16 For if the dead aren’t raised, neither has Christ been raised.
17 If Christ has not been raised, your faith is vain; you are still in your sins.

Verses 12-17 show exactly what Paul meant by "...unless you believed in vain.".

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It is clear even in 1 Corinthians that we do not get into heaven by simply believing that the event of the resurrection happened.
From the totality of everything said we know that we can not take 1 Corinthians 15:1-2 to mean anything of the sort.

I said nothing about "simply believing that the event of the resurrection happened"!  Our faith (trust in, clinging to and reliance upon) is in Christ himself, not mere facts; however, Christ's resurrection is essential to salvation and there were some in Corinth who were doubting it; so, Paul tells them that, if Christ had not been resurrected, then their faith in him would have been in vain.

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"He that has my commands and keeps them, he it is that loves me"
John 14:21-24 [Matthew 28:19-20]

Yes, keeping Jesus' commands is evidence that a person loves the Lord.

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"Was Paul crucified for you? or were you baptized in the name of Paul?"
1 Corinthians 1:13

"If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let that person be anathema, Oh Lord come!"
1 Corinthians 16:22

 

I'm unsure why you posted these verses, but I'm sure that we all agree with them (I certainly do).

[David1701]

16 hours ago, enoob57 said:

Eternal security is directly tied to the fact that the individual is born again s/Spiritually and The Holy Spirit of God dwells within those confines of life within....

Yes, that's part of it; and, the evidence of that is a transformed life.

[steve morrow]

ARE  YOU  BEING  DECEIVED 

 

EPHESIANS 5:6  let no man deceive you with vain words for because of these things cometh the wrath of  GOD  upon the children of disobedience 

2 TIMOTHY 1:13  hold fast the form of sound words which thou hast heard of me --- in faith and love --- which is in  CHRIST  JESUS ---

 

1 THESSALONIANS 1:3  remembering -- without ceasing -- your work of faith --- and labor of love --- and patience of hope in our  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST  in the sight of  GOD  OUR  FATHER

2 THESSALONIANS 1:11  wherefore also we pray always for you that our  GOD  ---would count you worthy of this calling --- and fulfill all the good pleasure of  HIS  goodness --- and the work of faith with power 

 

COLOSSIANS  3:5  mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth fornication uncleanness inordinate affection evil concupiscence and ---and covetousness which is idolatry---

--3:6-- for which things sake the wrath of  GOD  ---cometh on the children of disobedience---

 

PSALM 119:36  incline my heart unto thy testimonies ---and not to covetousness---

 

JEREMIAH 9:5  and they will deceive everyone his neighbor ---and will not speak the truth--- they have taught their tongue to speak lies --- and weary themselves to commit iniquity

1 TIMOTHY 4:6  if thou put the brethren in remembrance of these things thou shalt be a good minister of  JESUS  CHRIST  ---nourished up in the words of faith --- and of good doctrine --- whereunto thou hast attained 

 

MATTHEW 24:4 ---and  JESUS  answered and said unto them take heed that no man deceive you---

 

1 JOHN 3:7  little children let no man deceive you ---he that doeth righteousness is righteous---even as  HE  is righteous

--3:10-- in this the children of  GOD  are manifest and the children of the devil ---whosoever doeth not righteousness --- is not of  GOD --- neither he that loveth not his brother 

PROVERBS 11:6  the righteousness of the upright shall deliver them but ---transgressors shall be taken in their own naughtiness---

 

LOVING  THE  LORD  JESUS  CHRIST

 

 

 

[Desopixi Seilynam]

On 9/27/2021 at 12:57 PM, David1701 said:

I'm unsure why you posted these verses, but I'm sure that we all agree with them (I certainly do).

"If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ,
let that person be anathema, Oh Lord come!"
1 Corinthians 16:22

Those who love Christ obey Christ, we agree.

That is what the Bible says, [John 14:21-24]
and due to the context in Corinthians
it is clear that those words of Christ is what Paul is referring to.

Therefore according to Paul one not obeying Christ is anathema, not saved.

Therefore keeping Jesus' commands is evidence that a person is saved.

It is not extra out of love for Christ, it is evidence of salvation.

"For hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commands,
he that says 'I Know Him' and keeps not His commands is a liar
and the truth is not in him."  1 John 2:3-4

 

Therefore the most important thing is actually following Christ,
putting His teachings into actual practice.
 

Eternal security comes from actually following Christ,
not just believing about Christ.

Edited September 30, 2021 by Desopixi Seilynam

[David1701]

7 hours ago, Desopixi Seilynam said:

"If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ,
let that person be anathema, Oh Lord come!"
1 Corinthians 16:22

Those who love Christ obey Christ, we agree.

That is what the Bible says, [John 14:21-24]
and due to the context in Corinthians
it is clear that those words of Christ is what Paul is referring to.

Therefore according to Paul one not obeying Christ is anathema, not saved.

Therefore keeping Jesus' commands is evidence that a person is saved.

It is not extra out of love for Christ, it is evidence of salvation.

"For hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commands,
he that says 'I Know Him' and keeps not His commands is a liar
and the truth is not in him."  1 John 2:3-4

 

Therefore the most important thing is actually following Christ,
putting His teachings into actual practice.
 

Eternal security comes from actually following Christ,
not just believing about Christ.

I said nothing about keeping Jesus' commands being "...extra out of love for Christ...", so why are you implying that I did?  If we are saved, then we love him and obey his commands (although not perfectly - we all still sin sometimes).

Eternal security comes from Christ's shed blood, death on the cross and resurrection from the dead, through faith in him.  The good works we do are evidence of that salvation, they do not procure it.  Salvation is of the Lord, who works in us, to will and to do of his good pleasure.  He who has begun a good work in us, will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ.

Edited September 30, 2021 by David1701