House of Israel/The Church/Body of Christ/natural/grafted in - all made 1.

[DeighAnn]

12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Ephesians 2:15 in Greek 

2:15  (MGNT 2:14) τὴν ἔχθραν ἐν τῇ σαρκὶ αὐτοῦ (2:15) τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ἵνα τοὺς δύο κτίσῃ ἐν αὐτῷ εἰς ἕνα καινὸν ἄνθρωπον ποιῶν εἰρήνην 

KJV

2:15  τήν ἔχθραν ἐν τῇ σαρκί αὐτοῦ τὸν νόμον τῶν ἐντολῶν ἐν δόγμασιν καταργήσας ἵνα τοὺς δύο κτίσῃ ἐν ἑαὐτῷ εἰς ἕνα καινὸν ἄνθρωπον ποιῶν εἰρήνην

 *** hi D, I always read your posts and there quite challenging to our thinking, stimulating thinking, making us loose our sleep over it.

This Ephesians 2:15 And in this texus of the Rabbi names the two people of the world, one of them the Gentiles who were rejected by God, people unqualified and ineligible to be included in the people of God with the exception in the book of Leviticus.

And as we see that exception there only way to be part of the people of God was taken away according to Ephecians 2:15, they lost their chance to join the people of God who were from the Abraham seed and eligible to be partakers of the blessings of the book of Leviticus and this is because the Blessings in the book of Leviticus are not regarded anymore by God or have any significance by God the way it was before the Cross of Jesus Christ. 

The effect of the Cross of Jesus Christ have left the people who had an inheritance with God being eligible to be in the blessing of the book of Leviticus, to repeat the effect of the Cross on them it left them without the Inheritance of the blessings of being the seed of Abraham, at the time of the Cross they were without God and they were not God's people anymore, they lost their status or the special status they had for quite some time since Abraham was taken away or they found themselves in a situation the same situation as the Gentiles, not quite as the Gentiles were before the Cross, but in the situation the Gentiles or better called them the rest of the other Nations of the world which Nations Jesus Christ cleansed with his blood when he died on the Cross. 

The Jews were also in the same blessing at the time of the Cross as the rest of the world cleansed by Jesus Christ blood, with his death on the Cross. 

The whole world was made eligible to believe in Jesus Christ and to be included in Him.

This is the New Man in the world, only one Man the Man of eligibility ready to believe in the Gospel and thus be a accepted by God according to his believing in his Son the very moment he believes. 

 

Hi again friend,

I have a bit of a different take on a few things you have shared here.  I am going to qualify this with a bit of back ground so you can maybe understand the direction I see this from, and why it is different .  I just want us to be equal in where each other is coming from.  

I believe in the 'age' before this one.  I believe we lived in that age.  Theage in which Lucifer had a reign over kingdoms and was at the top of his game.  The one where he was, I believe, 'best friends and buddies' with God. GODS own WORDS tell us He made him THE FULL PATTERN.  He was the wisest, most beautiful, best singer, best ruler, best merchandiser etc.  He walked with God in the gardens he was around when THE SONS OF GOD AND THE MORNING STARS WERE WATCHING THE EARTH CREATED.  (GOD either killed them all or we are them.  WHY because we know 

Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.
ALL the host of them.  Finished. 

FINISHED which is very important because it answers soooo many questions that can't be answered any other way and no excuses are needed.) 

God stuck Jacob and Esau in the same womb.  True, they had not done anything in THIS FLESH yet, BUT GOD knew them, so he also knew what they would do.  (just like Satan is used for His purposes)  I do not believe we are reciting the words to a script already finished.  He knew Jeremiah.  He preordained him because He knew him knew him.  Jeremiah was NOT on of the 1/3 that Satan took away with his tale. 

God tells us there will be a remnant through out history that would teach His truths.  How would He know?  Agian, He is placing souls WHEN AND WHERE they need to be.  When you realize we all have HISTORY, SO many of the things that make us question, Is this JUST? are removed and we just know.  God tells us we don't remember the former things. But they are written...for eyes that can see them.  

If you think of Satan stealing 1/3 of the children of God you KNOW THAT HAPPENED THOUGH LIES.  It is the ONLY way for it to happen.  There is no world in which it could ever be truth.  Just cause we want some thing and believe it doesn't make it true.  But it does help us to understand how he works. How he did work and how he will work again.  TEMPTING?  No way.  

So as not to be accused of 'proof texting' (giving one verse at a time SO it appears out of context??) PLEASE go back and read all the verses 'in context' to make sure YOU are understand GODs words and NOT just what I am telling you.  

THAT SAID
Ecclesiastes 12:6 Or ever the silver cord be loosed, or the golden bowl be broken, or the pitcher be broken at the fountain, or the wheel broken at the cistern.  7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.  (give it, put it, set it, but not 'create' it, that had already been done long ago)

I have no 'doctrine' or theory or anything that 'requires me to believe anything in any way other than as written. So far I find no contradictions in them.  Where Gods words go I follow.  I don't care if I understand them at the time or not. 

You've read  
Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. 13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed 14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed.

Why does the dream have the angels?  Why are they given here?  What are we being told?  It seems so clear to me.  SO it is either HARD TO SEE OR HARD TO ACCEPT.  


Back to Eph 2:15
Gods people never quit being Gods people.  They just no longer had Him 'stepping in' and answering prayers as He once did.  They didn't start hating God they JUST wouldn't follow the laws, they wouldn't remain faithful and perfectly was required to 'die without sin' and so return to the father.  IF you died WITH even a tiny sin, then DEATH held you captive.  But what kind of 'love' do you really receive when someone follows those laws not cause they love you but to keep themselves from death??  Not the kind God wants.  That is one reason it had to go, IT COULD not GIVE LIFE because it could not FORGIVE.  But the LIVING WORD having willingly shed blood could.  DID that CHANGE what it is that makes one holy?  No.  

The law also allowed 'following the law' WITHOUT FEELING ANY LOVE possible.  If you didn't steal and didn't murder and didn't worship and image and all the rest then eternal life could be had but what was that problem?  There was no heart and soul JUST WORKS.  Just doing what had to be done without a feeling of love.  That is 'works'.  When we love and do things for God out of our love for Him, IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO 'WORK' FOR SALVATION.  But so many not SEEING the spirit of it keep pounding in the idea that someone who loves God could.  How sad it is when those who 'can follow the laws' make those who FEEL them feel bad.  Breaks the heart.  WORKS when you love God are called works but they aren't any kind of job at all, they are a natural part of who you and and who God is to you.  

BUT 
THAT LAW also HAD TO GO BECAUSE NO matter HOW MUCH you loved and dedicated yourself and your life to God the lust of the flesh was ALWAYS present and always waiting for a weak moment (which it know will come) to come and we all fall short.  Can you imagine how hard it would be to do WITHOUT THE HOLY  SPIRITS HELP???  Yes, they were weak in that they (NOT UNLIKE TODAY) would let the people around them influence them and that influence will always make us FALL off the right path to ETERNAL life. They don't know, they are run by their lusts and so see nothing wrong.  (SottisH is what we all are in this flesh) 


THEY DIDN'T HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. THAT IS SO HUGE and ANOTHER reason the law had to go. I don't think people EVEN REALIZE what an enormous gift we have been given through the gift of the HOLY SPIRIT.  

So what did Jesus do besides showing us what it looked like, talked like, felt about others like, the words of GOD walking around?  What transpired on the Cross.  
He took away ALL THE RITUALS that WERE REQUIRED to FIND FORGIVENESS and so obtain SALVATION.  SO now, YOU DIDN'T HAVE TO BE an ISRALITE anymore. AND all the Jews that USED TO BE SO SPECIAL, no longer were.  Everyone was given the same opportunity.  The middle partition was GONE.  

NO MORE PARTITION,  NO MORE 'YOU ARE BETTER THAN ME'.  No more anyone looking up or down at each other.  ALL THE SAME opportunity.  WHOMsoever would.  Anyone want to SHARE IN THE INHERITANCE with those of the BLOOD FAMILY?  Come on IN, and you can be adopted and be just like a blood son.  

ALL MEN must be made into a new creation -  A CHRISTIAN.  Heirs to the same promise.  


Going back there came the time the temple had to be put back up cause the KING was going to be born and GODS PLAN required all be in place as if it WOULD TAKE PLACE.  THE HIDDEN things still not known.  How does that relate to the "blindness"?  Do we need to have the Jews for a reason?  Is that reason because Satan is being cast down and there are requirements that must be met?  

All I know is THEY COULDN'T SEE what was written then because they were always debating 'the words' and so blinded themselves to the truth going on around them.  WE CAN TALK ALL DAY ABOUT WHO WILL DO WHAT AND WHO WILL COME FROM WHERE AND ON AND ON but what we need to do is do what is written.  WHEN YOU SEE....WHEN YOU HEAR....WHEN someone says....  THOSE are what we are to WATCH FOR, not to predict what they will look like to us and then look for those things.  THAT DID NOT work well in the past and it is not going to work well in the future because THERE IS A FALLING AWAY and the world will worship after.....

Even if you don't believe we were a part of it, think on the first REBELLION and what people did then.  DID they stand with God?  Did they get deceived by Satans lies and follow him?  Or were they just a part of those who were just living their own lives with no feeling about either one. 

WHY DOES IT MATTER?  It's a good 'picture' of the future.  It gives a good explanation of what goes on today.  It opens up the heart and mind from finite to infinite.  It helps you see how God is just Today, yesterday, always. 


SO when the Lords Day come, we will have a few groups of people.  STOOD WITH GOD ALWAYS all the way down to UNFAITHFUL TO GOD ALWAYS.   Does it matter up until then?  NOPE, cause the HOUSE of Israel don't know who they are.  Who you love and what you believe and what you do and how you walk, THAT is what will count.  IT ISN'T ABOUT TODAY.  IT ISN'T ABOUT THIS 'WORLD', THIS LIFE.  THIS IS A BLADE OF GRASS LIVING AND DYING.  BUT IT WILL BE JUDGED. 

I'll bet this is getting to long.  I have been going back and reading your statement and writing and I'm not sure I understand what you are saying.  But I don't think anyone 'lost' a chance to be with God.  The 'path' may have changed and who was able,  but no one was 'cut off' from it. Blinded yes, but I think those inherit the promises because of being faithful in the first age and God is using them to get the things done He wants done now. 
Does any of this make sense??  IDK.  What goes on in my head doesn't always translate to my fingers well.  So I sure hope I am not doing this all wrong piling too much info on you.  THIS is why I am not a teacher. I am terrible at it.  Too much in my head and not enough to be read. 

Any way, I don't mind you wanting to study (I love it when it happens to me and it happens all the time, and THANK YOU FOR THAT, but sleeplessness, that's bad.   I really just want to go on and on but will stop. 

Wait, not stop yet, 

You said,
"The Jews were also in the same blessing at the time of the Cross as the rest of the world cleansed by Jesus Christ blood, with his death on the Cross"

The world was not CLEANSED by the death of Christ.  The penalty for the sins of the world was PAID, but it is not until a sin is repented of and forgiveness asked for does that WORK OF THE LORD GET IMPARTED to a person.  AND IF IT DOES AND I AM MISTAKEN PLEASE LET ME KNOW ASAP.  I would need to do some major adjusting in my 'thinking' IDK.   I don't think it changes anything on the path but in my heart and soul....cause I don't come to forgiveness if it is not asked for until the Lord helps me see the LESSON I was being taught.  Then I am all for it.  But like I said, it is not automatic with me.  I abhor those who do me wrong because the way of this world are more important than the LORD.  STOPPING...


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

1Peter 2:23 Who, when he was reviled, reviled not again; when he suffered, he threatened not; but committed himself to him that judgeth righteously:

1Peter 2:24 Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed.

1Peter 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

John 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for our's only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

2434
hilasmos: propitiation
Original Word: ἱλασμός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: hilasmos
Phonetic Spelling: (hil-as-mos')
Definition: propitiation
Usage: a propitiation (of an angry god), atoning sacrifice.
HELPS Word-studies
2434 hilasmós – properly, propitiation; an offering to appease (satisfy) an angry, offended party. 2434 (hilasmós) is only used twice (1 Jn 2:2, 4:10) – both times of Christ's atoning blood that appeases God's wrath, ON ALL CONFESSED SIN . By the sacrifice of Himself, Jesus Christ provided the ultimate 2434 /hilasmós ("propitiation").

(Right now I believe it is a sin to make someone believe they need to give forgiveness to someone who has completely wronged them say for a murder or a rape.  I think they should be handed stones to throw.  If this is wrong I really need to know. Again, please let me know, i REALLY think that was a commandment)


John2:3 And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep HIS commandments.

John 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

John 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Jesus Himself said He doesn't change a dot of the law.  JESUS IS THE LAW.  He is the OT law walking and talking and THEN making a few changes upon the rejection. And the COMMANDMENTS of the OT were not nailed to the cross but THE RITUALS and the statutes and ordinances that went with them were.  

 

Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Acts 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.

Acts 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Acts 20:31 Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.

Acts 20:32 And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

I am so stopping now.  d

[DeighAnn]

On 11/5/2021 at 3:46 AM, tim_from_pa said:

You can digest what I said for a while to see where I am coming from: earthly promises -- the structure and workings of the Kingdom.  Law/Grace, the standards and qualification for individuals.  A failure of the latter of those to whom this Kingdom started with to be stewards does not nullify these same promises to them, otherwise, there would be no Kingdom, no rule of God, no anything!

Hi Tim, 

Yes, I got what you were saying and I agree that follows Gods Plan for His people.  

If I may, just a couple things.  Did you know that Abram was a Gentile?  I lost my mind when this was pointed out.  BUT there was no 'ISRAEL' at that time.  I found myself with every excuse and tried working the story backwards and gave all the reasons of this that and the other thing, but truth be told, I was just wrong, again.  Abram was the father of many nations including Israel but not of the 12 or 13 tribes. I had it set in my mind that the bloodline listed from Seth was all Israel.  (Wasn't as bad as the 'apple' in the garden eye opening fight that started me actually following Gods Plan thereby terminating MY plan of salvation, PRAISE GOD FOR MY MOTHERs patience and her 'out of character, in your face,  you are so wrong here and I'll prove it to you' Faith that came HEARING THE WORDS OF GOD).

The SIN in the garden is the sin of today.  Disobeying God.  Pure and simple.  The difference between trespass - because of ignorance,  sin - not of ignorance doesn't change, it's disobedience either way.  All will be judged, some walking away with big rewards having been refined, some as really crispy critters and some disappearing 'like smoke going up forever and ever' when blotted out.  

Back to Israel.  I think Israel was/is just a 'family' God chose from all the others to show us Himself and His relationship to us and what is required of us to dwell with THE CREATOR of all things Our Father and how to not be consumed when the time comes.. If He didn't use just one family, the BOOK would probably still be being written.  But if you notice it is the exact same thing over and over and over.  How 'sottish' we truly are, this final generation not really much different than the first.  They had the 'miracles' seen, we have them written yet either way, not all care.   Crazy.  If only we could make that horse drink water...but I guess that is the only way to find real and true love in souls.  Got to make enough to come out with what He wanted to end up with.  I wonder what the percent ends up being. I am thinking you have pondered upon it, math science and all.  
( I tried to cut it up but couldn't, AS we will be singing it and I just noticed it is another brick in a truth I am receiving and it seems kinda subtle? maybe not 

Deuteronomy 32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

Deuteronomy 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Deuteronomy 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Deuteronomy 32:5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

Deuteronomy 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

Deuteronomy 32:7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

(Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them)
(Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.  13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed  14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed).

 

Deuteronomy 32:9 For the LORD's portion is His people Jacob is the lot of His inheritance.

Deuteronomy 32:10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.

Deuteronomy 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

Deuteronomy 32:12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.

Deuteronomy 32:13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;

Deuteronomy 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.

Deuteronomy 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

Deuteronomy 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.

Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Deuteronomy 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Deuteronomy 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Deuteronomy 32:23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.

Deuteronomy 32:24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

Deuteronomy 32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.

Deuteronomy 32:26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

Deuteronomy 32:27 Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the LORD hath not done all this.

Deuteronomy 32:28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.

Deuteronomy 32:29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!

Deuteronomy 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?

Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

Deuteronomy 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:

Deuteronomy 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.

Deuteronomy 32:34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?

Deuteronomy 32:35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

Deuteronomy 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.

Deuteronomy 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,

Deuteronomy 32:38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Deuteronomy 32:40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

Deuteronomy 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

Deuteronomy 32:42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

Deuteronomy 32:44 And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.

Deuteronomy 32:45 And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:

Deuteronomy 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.

Deuteronomy 32:47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Deuteronomy 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,

Deuteronomy 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:

Deuteronomy 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:

Deuteronomy 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of MeribahKadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

Well,  thank God it is my post so if it seems Off topic I won't get in trouble, though it really isn't off topic, is it?    Any way, enjoyed your feed back and hope to hear more from you because I agree with you that Israel divided the King line from the Birthright and the different purposes of each seems to not be known by many.  I have been trying to figure out WHY the demand for  the separation between the church and Israel.  I know it has to do with the 'pre trib rap' (sorry if you follow that) but I kept thinking there has got to be more than that this DEMAND that it be accepted is just too insane.  And then it HIT ME.  Just like all the 'thoughts of men' they all have one thing in common.  MAKE US THINK WE DON'T NEED EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.  |

And this one is about YOU DON'T NEED TO STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT. 

Seriously, just yesterday. 

Pre trib rap  -  don't need to know prophecy  -  you will be gone
OSAS  -  Don't need but a 'few' words and you are GIVEN faith  - don't need to read
Church is separate -  don't need to read Old Test
Preterism -  all things have taken place - there won't be a test

They all say the same thing also about DO NOT BE DECEIVED
Pre trib rap, Church is separate  -  you will be gone
OSAS - even if deceived GOD can't change his mind you're safe
Preter -  tribulation is past we are ALREADY judged and reigning His kingdom come

ANY thought, teaching, doctrine  that says, implies or leads you to believe that  EVERY WORD of GOD isn't necessary and important and life eternal, isn't of God.  

Preaching to the choir.....  Again Thank you....d

In case I haven't said it before, Capitols are not yelling, just passion and the way it comes out.  I don't know who decided FOR ME that was the way it was going to be but they should have asked first instead of assuming....

[DeighAnn]

14 hours ago, pinacled said:

Perhaps a discerning summary of flesh and blood will help. Since Adam's failure from dust of the earth. Blood of havel and his offering covered the inheritance of mankind till yisrael. Vanity in genealogy is what ole sh'lomo and ole'shaul warn of. No flesh or blood of mankind is  separated in flesh. Only a nation lacking the schoolmaster is separate from the promises in Spirit, flesh, and blood. 

Adoption into the promises are a wings shadow of Torah in spirit to remember we are all children of chavah and adam. Honor mother and father"

Blessings Always

Hi pinacled,

I am really sorry but I am going to need the really long version here,  as the summary isn't helping and has gotten me...lost...I don't understand any of it...I don't think.  Please understand, I pretty much just know Gods words from the Bible.  (much more other things than I used to but coming from 0 and comparatively speaking, I might be up to 1/2 on a scale of 1-100)  I look forward to hearing from you.  d

[tim_from_pa]

4 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi Tim, 

Yes, I got what you were saying and I agree that follows Gods Plan for His people.  

If I may, just a couple things.  Did you know that Abram was a Gentile?  I lost my mind when this was pointed out.  BUT there was no 'ISRAEL' at that time.  I found myself with every excuse and tried working the story backwards and gave all the reasons of this that and the other thing, but truth be told, I was just wrong, again.  Abram was the father of many nations including Israel but not of the 12 or 13 tribes. I had it set in my mind that the bloodline listed from Seth was all Israel.  (Wasn't as bad as the 'apple' in the garden eye opening fight that started me actually following Gods Plan thereby terminating MY plan of salvation, PRAISE GOD FOR MY MOTHERs patience and her 'out of character, in your face,  you are so wrong here and I'll prove it to you' Faith that came HEARING THE WORDS OF GOD).

The SIN in the garden is the sin of today.  Disobeying God.  Pure and simple.  The difference between trespass - because of ignorance,  sin - not of ignorance doesn't change, it's disobedience either way.  All will be judged, some walking away with big rewards having been refined, some as really crispy critters and some disappearing 'like smoke going up forever and ever' when blotted out.  

Back to Israel.  I think Israel was/is just a 'family' God chose from all the others to show us Himself and His relationship to us and what is required of us to dwell with THE CREATOR of all things Our Father and how to not be consumed when the time comes.. If He didn't use just one family, the BOOK would probably still be being written.  But if you notice it is the exact same thing over and over and over.  How 'sottish' we truly are, this final generation not really much different than the first.  They had the 'miracles' seen, we have them written yet either way, not all care.   Crazy.  If only we could make that horse drink water...but I guess that is the only way to find real and true love in souls.  Got to make enough to come out with what He wanted to end up with.  I wonder what the percent ends up being. I am thinking you have pondered upon it, math science and all.  
( I tried to cut it up but couldn't, AS we will be singing it and I just noticed it is another brick in a truth I am receiving and it seems kinda subtle? maybe not 

Deuteronomy 32:1 Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.

Deuteronomy 32:2 My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:

Deuteronomy 32:3 Because I will publish the name of the LORD: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.

Deuteronomy 32:4 He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Deuteronomy 32:5 They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.

Deuteronomy 32:6 Do ye thus requite the LORD, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?

Deuteronomy 32:7 Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.

Deuteronomy 32:8 When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when He separated the sons of Adam, He set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

(Genesis 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them)
(Genesis 28:12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.  13 And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed  14 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed).

 

Deuteronomy 32:9 For the LORD's portion is His people Jacob is the lot of His inheritance.

Deuteronomy 32:10 He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.

Deuteronomy 32:11 As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:

Deuteronomy 32:12 So the LORD alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.

Deuteronomy 32:13 He made him ride on the high places of the earth, that he might eat the increase of the fields; and he made him to suck honey out of the rock, and oil out of the flinty rock;

Deuteronomy 32:14 Butter of kine, and milk of sheep, with fat of lambs, and rams of the breed of Bashan, and goats, with the fat of kidneys of wheat; and thou didst drink the pure blood of the grape.

Deuteronomy 32:15 But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.

Deuteronomy 32:16 They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.

Deuteronomy 32:17 They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.

Deuteronomy 32:18 Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.

Deuteronomy 32:19 And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.

Deuteronomy 32:20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Deuteronomy 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Deuteronomy 32:22 For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.

Deuteronomy 32:23 I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.

Deuteronomy 32:24 They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.

Deuteronomy 32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.

Deuteronomy 32:26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men:

Deuteronomy 32:27 Were it not that I feared the wrath of the enemy, lest their adversaries should behave themselves strangely, and lest they should say, Our hand is high, and the LORD hath not done all this.

Deuteronomy 32:28 For they are a nation void of counsel, neither is there any understanding in them.

Deuteronomy 32:29 O that they were wise, that they understood this, that they would consider their latter end!

Deuteronomy 32:30 How should one chase a thousand, and two put ten thousand to flight, except their Rock had sold them, and the LORD had shut them up?

Deuteronomy 32:31 For their rock is not as our Rock, even our enemies themselves being judges.

Deuteronomy 32:32 For their vine is of the vine of Sodom, and of the fields of Gomorrah: their grapes are grapes of gall, their clusters are bitter:

Deuteronomy 32:33 Their wine is the poison of dragons, and the cruel venom of asps.

Deuteronomy 32:34 Is not this laid up in store with me, and sealed up among my treasures?

Deuteronomy 32:35 To me belongeth vengeance and recompence; their foot shall slide in due time: for the day of their calamity is at hand, and the things that shall come upon them make haste.

Deuteronomy 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.

Deuteronomy 32:37 And he shall say, Where are their gods, their rock in whom they trusted,

Deuteronomy 32:38 Which did eat the fat of their sacrifices, and drank the wine of their drink offerings? let them rise up and help you, and be your protection.

Deuteronomy 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

Deuteronomy 32:40 For I lift up my hand to heaven, and say, I live for ever.

Deuteronomy 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me.

Deuteronomy 32:42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy.

Deuteronomy 32:43 Rejoice, O ye nations, with his people: for he will avenge the blood of his servants, and will render vengeance to his adversaries, and will be merciful unto his land, and to his people.

Deuteronomy 32:44 And Moses came and spake all the words of this song in the ears of the people, he, and Hoshea the son of Nun.

Deuteronomy 32:45 And Moses made an end of speaking all these words to all Israel:

Deuteronomy 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law.

Deuteronomy 32:47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life: and through this thing ye shall prolong your days in the land, whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

Deuteronomy 32:48 And the LORD spake unto Moses that selfsame day, saying,

Deuteronomy 32:49 Get thee up into this mountain Abarim, unto mount Nebo, which is in the land of Moab, that is over against Jericho; and behold the land of Canaan, which I give unto the children of Israel for a possession:

Deuteronomy 32:50 And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:

Deuteronomy 32:51 Because ye trespassed against me among the children of Israel at the waters of MeribahKadesh, in the wilderness of Zin; because ye sanctified me not in the midst of the children of Israel.

Deuteronomy 32:52 Yet thou shalt see the land before thee; but thou shalt not go thither unto the land which I give the children of Israel.

Well,  thank God it is my post so if it seems Off topic I won't get in trouble, though it really isn't off topic, is it?    Any way, enjoyed your feed back and hope to hear more from you because I agree with you that Israel divided the King line from the Birthright and the different purposes of each seems to not be known by many.  I have been trying to figure out WHY the demand for  the separation between the church and Israel.  I know it has to do with the 'pre trib rap' (sorry if you follow that) but I kept thinking there has got to be more than that this DEMAND that it be accepted is just too insane.  And then it HIT ME.  Just like all the 'thoughts of men' they all have one thing in common.  MAKE US THINK WE DON'T NEED EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.  |

And this one is about YOU DON'T NEED TO STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT. 

Seriously, just yesterday. 

Pre trib rap  -  don't need to know prophecy  -  you will be gone
OSAS  -  Don't need but a 'few' words and you are GIVEN faith  - don't need to read
Church is separate -  don't need to read Old Test
Preterism -  all things have taken place - there won't be a test

They all say the same thing also about DO NOT BE DECEIVED
Pre trib rap, Church is separate  -  you will be gone
OSAS - even if deceived GOD can't change his mind you're safe
Preter -  tribulation is past we are ALREADY judged and reigning His kingdom come

ANY thought, teaching, doctrine  that says, implies or leads you to believe that  EVERY WORD of GOD isn't necessary and important and life eternal, isn't of God.  

Preaching to the choir.....  Again Thank you....d

In case I haven't said it before, Capitols are not yelling, just passion and the way it comes out.  I don't know who decided FOR ME that was the way it was going to be but they should have asked first instead of assuming....

Wow! Everything is very nicely said!  You have more understanding than you give yourself credit for.  You are on the right track.  Shalom!

[choir loft]

On 10/29/2021 at 9:02 AM, DeighAnn said:

Jacob became Israel, had 12 sons, became a nation. 

Israel divided into two Houses, one called Judah other Israel.

House of Israel didn't obey God, went into captivity then were scattered to the world, they losing their identity  (God didn't lose them, ever) 
One of the reasons Jesus came was to gather the lost sheep aka the scattered sheep of the House of Israel.  
House of Judah didn't obey God, went into captivity and mostly went back to Jerusalem (though the gentiles now ruled it) then scattered.

For the past two thousand years Jesus has been gathering both the lost sheep and the 'whomsoever woulds'/the 'grafting ins' together into one body.  Today it is known as the Body of Christ/Christians/The spiritual house of Israel, all made one.  Those who are strong in faith, giving glory to God and BELIEVING IN HIM, that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead

Peter and Paul both had same mission, different 'peoples'.    Preach the words of God to the lost sheep and to those who wish to be grafted in.  

The OT speaks over and over again about what shall happen/become of the House of Israel, what takes place in the last days the two Houses becoming one again, and where and what they will be doing during the Millennium.  

Because the Church is the House of Israel, it is never spoken of in terms of what happens to it.  The Church is just a NAME for when two or more people are gathered in His name.  It is not a separate entity and the Body of Christ isn't going to be separated so that 1/2 can go away while one 1/2 stays.  

If anyone knows of any scripture that proves this wrong, please put it forth.

If anyone has an opinion without scripture, please do not.  

Is there any way to tell the difference between the natural branch and the wild branch grafted in?  

If we don't know who is who is there ANY WAY God would require us to follow different paths?  


Question 1 for a friend - ly 
 

You mean well, but your patchy references do not support Biblical history accurately.  Mostly your statement stumbles over Roman Catholic theology that's replaced Biblical truth in the eyes of American protestants who've lost faith with the Reformation.

Specifically I intend to bring attention to one line you wrote, "Today it is known as the Body of Christ/Christians/The spiritual house of Israel, all made one."

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SPIRITUAL ISRAEL.

The concept is unBiblical because St. Paul wrote that when one is saved one becomes a Jew (Romans 2:29).  Salvation is dependent upon the blood of Christ, NOT CHURCH MEMBERSHIP.  (Ephesians 2:13)

Historic trends in tradition and doctrine establish precedent over Biblical intent.

Religion supersedes the will of God.  This isn't what God intends, but that's what happens.  The Bible illustrates this trend with the history of Hebraic SIN against God and His subsequent destruction of their nation and removal of their liberties.  (America today is in jeopardy of the same form of divine judgment.)  Jews established tradition as the principle of their faith and rejected God when He visited them in Jerusalem.  Judaism became a religion of tradition, which it is to this day.

In the late 16th century, Roman Catholic priest Francisco Ribera established the doctrine of FUTURISM.  This doctrine was later refurbished by John Nelson Darby and sold to American protestant Christians as DISPENSATIONALISM.  This anti-Semitic and unBiblical doctrine supports the dogma of Supersessionism or Replacement Theology.  This doctrine of demons suggests that God has abandoned His people Israel and the LAW of Moses.  HE HAS NOT. (Matthew 5:17 & Romans 11:2).  

Replacement Theology (Supersessionism - look it up) falsely claims;

a.) a false covenant with the Church has been established to replace Mosaic LAW

b.) the church has replaced Israel as God's blessed people on earth

Nothing could be further from the truth either historically or Biblically.  As a result, the foundations of faith, based upon the LAW, have been abandoned.  Consequently the church has SEPARATED itself from Christ its root and is at present a ship without a rudder, a withering flower without sustenance.  

The church is ICHABOD (1 Samuel 4:21), the spirit has departed from it.  Judgment is upon it. (1 Peter 4:17)

NO ONE CAN BE SAVED APART FROM THE LAW.

Today, most Christians cannot tell you what SIN is when in fact it is the LAW that tells us.  Denial of the LAW or ignorance of it doesn't qualify one for salvation.  It only keeps one from the benefits of the LAW; repentance, forgiveness, salvation and redemption unto God.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Edited November 8, 2021 by choir loft

[TheBlade]

Hi all.. just wanted to say.. grafted it. Once watching oneforisreal and how they came to Christ yet some kept saying about Christians "thats MY God they have". As much as I cried to hear oh such awesome stories.. lol I started to get mad. "My God"? What do I have then? So as I was going to bed and NEVER once thought He would answer. I TRIED to picture me and a Jewish person sitting and Christ infront of us. I could picture everything but Christ.. that was strange. Anyway I said "tell me you love me just as much as you love him". I didn't expect Him to answer.. what I pictured came to life. This hand came down with this tiny dark yet lite brown..oh so so beautful.

I have never seen a tree with so many branches. He placed it between us..oh all the branches were shaped like a "U" like that Jewish candle holder. I say that because my son told me about that after I told him this. Anyway this is what He said "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". Took me so long to .. and truth be told I still not sure what He meant "originally"? Of the vine? Isreal?  I asked to hear "I love you just as much" Look how He answered it. Just WOW. I Know this not the same but.. this happen about over a year ago and.. praise GOD glory to JESUS! 

[choir loft]

On 11/8/2021 at 2:56 PM, TheBlade said:

Hi all.. just wanted to say.. grafted it. Once watching oneforisreal and how they came to Christ yet some kept saying about Christians "thats MY God they have". As much as I cried to hear oh such awesome stories.. lol I started to get mad. "My God"? What do I have then? So as I was going to bed and NEVER once thought He would answer. I TRIED to picture me and a Jewish person sitting and Christ infront of us. I could picture everything but Christ.. that was strange. Anyway I said "tell me you love me just as much as you love him". I didn't expect Him to answer.. what I pictured came to life. This hand came down with this tiny dark yet lite brown..oh so so beautful.

I have never seen a tree with so many branches. He placed it between us..oh all the branches were shaped like a "U" like that Jewish candle holder. I say that because my son told me about that after I told him this. Anyway this is what He said "show me a branch that was not originally of the vine. I am the vine you are the branches". Took me so long to .. and truth be told I still not sure what He meant "originally"? Of the vine? Isreal?  I asked to hear "I love you just as much" Look how He answered it. Just WOW. I Know this not the same but.. this happen about over a year ago and.. praise GOD glory to JESUS! 

The Jewish candle holder is called a Menorah.  

Just in case some readers are unaccustomed to reading the Bible, the book says JESUS IS A JEW.

Those who are saved and given to Him as Lord and Savior become Jews.  (Romans 2:29)  

Your tree with many branches (actually the Bible uses GRAPE VINE rather than a tree as the metaphor to describe the relationship) may signify the Kingdom of Heaven.  Grape vines are amenable to grafting.  Trees generally are not.

When we look at a menorah we see one of the candles either in the central position or raised higher than other candles or both.   The highest candle is called the Shamash or servant candle.  This candle is lighted first.  The Shamash candle is then used to light other candles.   Thus we see the Shamash candle as representative of Jesus Christ from whom we all receive light and life.  

Jesus, the King of the Jews, is the servant who gives us light and life.

Hope this helps.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft... 

Edited November 11, 2021 by choir loft

[DeighAnn]

On 11/11/2021 at 7:14 AM, choir loft said:

Your tree with many branches (actually the Bible uses GRAPE VINE rather than a tree as the metaphor to describe the relationship) may signify the Kingdom of Heaven.  Grape vines are amenable to grafting.  Trees generally are not.

Hi choir

Thank you, I didn't know any of that.  Do you know much about the grape vine?  I recently heard is isn't good for much of anything OTHER than what it was made for.  Doesn't make a good fire, can't use it to build...BUT AWESOME in doing what it is.   I don't know if that is true, so I thought I would ask... 

d

[DeighAnn]

On 11/8/2021 at 7:00 AM, choir loft said:

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS SPIRITUAL ISRAEL.

Hi choir

Sorry I thought I had posted something in reply to this but IDK.  Here is what I was referring to, you are correct,  the 'House' is not mentioned, I apologize.  It won't happen again.  


1Peter 2:1 Wherefore laying aside all malice, and all guile, and hypocrisies, and envies, all evil speakings,

1Peter 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:

1Peter 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.

1Peter 2:4 To whom coming, as unto a living stone, disallowed indeed of men, but chosen of God, and precious,

1Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.

1Peter 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

1Peter 2:7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

1Peter 2:8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.

1Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;






THERE IS NO JEW OR GREEK in Christ.
Galatians 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

Galatians 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Galatians 3:26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

 

I do not see where it says we are turned into Jews but who Jews who call themselves Jews are

Southern 1/2 Judah makes up the King line while Northern 1/2 Israel has the birthright.  They have different 'jobs' until the sticks are made one again so EVERYONE becoming the King line would not have accomplished what the birthright nations did.  

Romans 2:24 For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you, as it is written.

Romans 2:25 For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law: but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.

Romans 2:26 Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision?

Romans 2:27 And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfil the law, judge thee, who by the letter and circumcision dost transgress the law?

Romans 2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

Romans 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Romans 3:1 What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?

Romans 3:2 Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

Romans 3:3 For what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of God without effect?

Romans 3:4 God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

Romans 3:5 But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

 

On 11/8/2021 at 7:00 AM, choir loft said:

Mostly your statement stumbles over Roman Catholic theology that's replaced Biblical truth in the eyes of American protestants who've lost faith with the Reformation.

I know almost nothing about Catholic theology and prostestants what it believes or doesn't.  For that matter, I know almost nothing about any religion.  I haven't gotten through learning Gods words yet so I haven't had time for mans thoughts on the whole thing.  What I read here is the 'outside' world and I started a couple years ago cause the Holy Spirit quit leading me.  (IS NOT KIDDING at all - put out what is given, whether it is received or not or we're done)  If and/or when that ever happens again, I will seek out what comes next. Right now this must be it cause lots of leading and sharpening going on (now that I am starting to get over the shell shock of it all).  I HAD NO IDEA ABOUT any of the things being taught that I never knew, saw, heard, or read in my studies.  (except a bit about pre trib and must have been other things that went in one ear and out the other but made no impression) 

If you'd like to sing some more....

d

[choir loft]

17 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi choir

Thank you, I didn't know any of that.  Do you know much about the grape vine?  I recently heard is isn't good for much of anything OTHER than what it was made for.  Doesn't make a good fire, can't use it to build...BUT AWESOME in doing what it is.   I don't know if that is true, so I thought I would ask... 

d

It's my understanding you are correct about the lack of other uses for grapevines.

CL