What is "The Law"?

[Bawb]

18 hours ago, JohnR7 said:

No one keeps the Sabbath. I had a friend that was a 7th day adventist. He would park his truck and did not drive for 24 hour, but when he got hungry he would go to a restaurant and eat. This required others to break the Sabbath by working. John Wesley believed we can live free from sin but even people who embrace the holiness movement do not believe they can live a sin free life. 

Wow, I guess I'm nobody then and my Wife too... no phones, no cars, no television, no cooking of food, no "business (buy or sell)". No work or doing your own "pleasure". Just Bible study and companionship. It is truly a blessing!

But do not assume that I'm holier than thou...

For I know that he who says he is without sin is a liar and our righteousness is like filthy rags to Yah. So we should sin that grace abounds? Heaven forbid!

Wow... Holiness movement? As opposed the lawless movement? Which side do you think Yeshua is on?

[Bawb]

On 11/10/2021 at 11:23 PM, Marathoner said:

Quite right. I encourage the OP to search the forums where they will find a plethora of threads pertaining to this subject matter. It has been discussed over... and over... and over again until the cows came home and expired from natural causes. 

If you tell a lie often enough people believe it...

I'm trying the same method with the truth...

I don't think YeHoVah would mind!

Are we not supposed to love His commands?

[Bawb]

On 11/12/2021 at 10:26 AM, Greenie said:

So then come judgment day, you will be judged by the law?? And not covered by the blood of Jesus?? Have you been keeping all 10 perfectly the whole time? (In thought, word,and deed) I thought that's what Christ Jesus came to fulfill. Since we as sinful natured humans can't do. That's why I trust in Jesus' sacrifice...right?!? What am I getting wrong here?? 

Read all of this in a friendly tone because that's how I mean it. Just asking questions 

The Bible states in Matthew 12:36 - We will be judged by every idle word we say... But the 10 Commandments that were given to us would be void? Does that even pass the smell test to you? Just because you sins will be forgiven, it does not mean there won't be consequences...

[JohnR7]

3 hours ago, Bawb said:

 

Wow... Holiness movement? As opposed the lawless movement? Which side do you think Yeshua is on?

I know God is Holiness because we are to pray before the throne of God. 

[Waggles]

There are some here that keep on preaching their doctrine in violation of what the holy scriptures - the word of God - actually teaches us to believe and obey ... 

Galatians 3:1  O foolish Galatians, who bewitched you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly set forth crucified? 
2  This only would I learn from you, Received ye the Spirit from works of law, or from hearing of faith? 
3  Are ye so foolish? having begun in Spirit, are ye now perfected in flesh? 
4  Did ye suffer so many things in vain? if indeed in vain. 
5  Who therefore supplieth you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, is it from works of law, or from the hearing of faith? 
6  Even as Abraham believed God, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness. 
7  Know then that who are from faith, these are sons of Abraham. 
8  And the scripture, foreseeing that God justifieth the nations by faith, preached the gospel afore to Abraham, saying, [that] In thee shall all the nations be blessed. 
9  So then who are from faith are blessed with the faithful Abraham. 

Edited November 14, 2021 by Waggles

[Waggles]

Galatians 3:10  For as many as are of works of law are under a curse: for it is written [that], Cursed everyone who continueth not in all the things written in the book of the law, to do them. 
11  Now that no one is justified by law before God, is evident because, The righteous shall live by faith; 
12  and the law is not of faith but, Who doeth them shall live in them. 
13  Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us; because it is written, Accursed every one hanging on a tree: 
14  that unto the nations might come the blessing of Abraham in Christ Jesus; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith. 

[Waggles]

Galatians 3:21  Is the law then against the promises of God? Be it not so: for if a law had been given which could make alive, verily righteousness would have been by law. 
22  But the scripture shut up all things under sin, that the promise from faith in Jesus Christ might be given to the believing. 
23  But before the faith came, we were kept in ward under law, shut up unto the faith to be revealed. 
24  So that the law is become our tutor unto Christ, that we be justified from faith. 
25  But the faith having come, we are no more under a tutor. 
26  For ye are all sons of God, through the faith, in Christ Jesus. 
27  For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ. 

[Charlie744]

On 11/13/2021 at 6:09 AM, Hopefully said:

“Can following the law give us the blessing God promised? If we could receive it by following the law, then it would not be God’s promise that brings it to us. But God freely gave his blessings to Abraham through the promise God made. So what was the law for?
 

The law was given to show the wrong things people do. The law would continue until the special Descendant of Abraham came. This is the Descendant mentioned in the promise, which came directly from God. But the law was given through angels, and the angels used Moses as a mediator to give the law to the people. Does this mean that the law works against God’s promises? Of course not.

The law was never God’s way of giving new life to people. If it were, then we could be made right with God by following the law. But this is not possible.

The Scriptures put the whole world in prison under the control of sin, so that the only way for people to get what God promised would be through faith in Jesus Christ. It is given to those who believe in him. Before this faith came, the law held us as prisoners. We had no freedom until God showed us the way of faith that was coming. I mean the law was the guardian in charge of us until Christ came. After he came, we could be made right with God through faith.

Now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law to be our guardian. You were all baptized into Christ, and so you were all clothed with Christ. This shows that you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

Now, in Christ, it doesn’t matter if you are a Jew or a Greek, a slave or free, male or female. You are all the same in Christ Jesus. You belong to Christ, so you are Abraham’s descendants. You get all of God’s blessings because of the promise that God made to Abraham.”
‭‭Galatians‬ ‭3:18-19, 21-29‬ ‭

 

Christ did not come to do away with the law, but followers of Christ naturally do what the law wants.

“So do we destroy the law by following the way of faith? Not at all! In fact, faith causes us to be what the law actually wants.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭3:31‬ ‭

 

This is very nice and maybe you will not mind if I add to it...

We have all seen the responses (everywhere) that the law has been done away with, or it has been nailed to the Cross.

I am wondering if they might address the following:

1) If they were done away with, does that mean the 1st commandment which speaks of the One and only God....has been done away with as well?

2) Has the 2nd commandment been eliminated too? Can we have idols now?

3) What about the 3rd commandment- can we use His name in vain because of the Cross? 

4) And of course the infamous 4th commandment which specifically tells us to “remember the Sabbath”. Is that Holy Day no longer Holy? Do you believe God, who sees the beginning to the end messed up by including the word “remember” in the 10 at Mt. Sinai? 

Or, perhaps only the 6 commandments that speak of our treatment of each other are the only ones nailed- sure- God no longer wants us or is concerned how we treat each other... really?

The Cross paid for our sins, it did not eliminate, remove or nail the law to the Cross. If we believe that Jesus is the Messiah and place all our faith in Him AND, as HE told us before He ascended to heaven, to obey His commandments, what more can HE do or say??????

I believe HIS words are literal and certainly trump any of man’s misinterpretations of NT verses. Only one position can be correct- they are exclusive- do you believe Jesus or someone’s interpretation that is completely opposite of the Messiah’s last command to us?

Charlie

[Charlie744]

13 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

This is very nice and maybe you will not mind if I add to it...

We have all seen the responses (everywhere) that the law has been done away with, or it has been nailed to the Cross.

I am wondering if they might address the following:

1) If they were done away with, does that mean the 1st commandment which speaks of the One and only God....has been done away with as well?

2) Has the 2nd commandment been eliminated too? Can we have idols now?

3) What about the 3rd commandment- can we use His name in vain because of the Cross? 

4) And of course the infamous 4th commandment which specifically tells us to “remember the Sabbath”. Is that Holy Day no longer Holy? Do you believe God, who sees the beginning to the end messed up by including the word “remember” in the 10 at Mt. Sinai? 

Or, perhaps only the 6 commandments that speak of our treatment of each other are the only ones nailed- sure- God no longer wants us or is concerned how we treat each other... really?

The Cross paid for our sins, it did not eliminate, remove or nail the law to the Cross. If we believe that Jesus is the Messiah and place all our faith in Him AND, as HE told us before He ascended to heaven, to obey His commandments, what more can HE do or say??????

I believe HIS words are literal and certainly trump any of man’s misinterpretations of NT verses. Only one position can be correct- they are exclusive- do you believe Jesus or someone’s interpretation that is completely opposite of the Messiah’s last command to us?

Charlie

Oh, I forgot to mention one other thing... 

Remember that God wrote the 10 in the rock and gave them to Moses. But before Moses went back down the mountain God whispered something in his ear... the Scriptures do not record what God said to him. Anyway, when Moses got to the bottom he saw they had built a golden calf to worship. Moses immediately threw the 10 commandments carved in rock at the idol and broke it into pieces. 

Moses went back up the mountain and once again the 10 commandments were carved out of the rock- however, this time Moses noted that God added a new word to it. He added the word ‘remember’ to the 4th commandment!

Apparently, God must have whispered to Moses to get back down the mountain and throw away those commandments and by the time you get back up here I will have s corrected set for you.. 

So, perhaps many of you folks are ready from the original set of the 10 commandment tablets... Please look at the publication date at the bottom of the tablets.... They will both appear as an ‘authored’ tablet, but only one will have ‘second edition’ at the bottom. 

Just saying, Charlie 

[JohnR7]

8 hours ago, Bawb said:

It is truly a blessing!

I am sure it is a blessing. I lived out of a back pack for three months and in the army we live out of whatever we can fit in a duffle bag. Our stuff can be a burden sometimes. It would be nice to take a break from it all one day a week.