Daniel 11 (the king of the North / South) has been fulfilled in history

[R. Hartono]

https://herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Daniel11

Many people assume the king of the North is antichrist, but it has been fulfilled in history, the end of antichrist is different, he will not die like the king of the North but he shall be thrown alive to the fire hell with the false prophet in the Armageddon battle with Lord Jesus Himself.

Rev 19 ¹⁹ Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. ²⁰ But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur. 

In the prophecy of 70 Weeks of Daniel, Gabriel breaks down the 70 Weeks as 7 Weeks + 62 Weeks.

Daniel 11 is all about Gentile kingdoms' affecting the Hebrew people and has been fulfilled within the 69 Weeks of Daniel with Jesus being cut off.

Edited July 11, 2023 by R. Hartono

[R. Hartono]

So many Christians in many forums still assume the king of the north is antichrist.

[The Light]

5 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

So many Christians in many forums still assume the king of the north is antichrist.

Look around the world. It shouldn't take much thought as to who the king of the north is. The Antichrist is "A" king of the north. Figure out who the king of the north is, and it should be obvious, and it shouldn't take much thought as to who this person is. And he is about to reveal himself.

He will confirm a covenant with many for one week. You might check and see what happens on the second day of the feast of trumpets this year. Let me help you......SGD. Check 2015.

 

"A" king of the north is Antichrist.

Edited July 9, 2023 by The Light

[Shilohsfoal]

On 11/10/2021 at 12:47 AM, R. Hartono said:

https://herealittletherealittle.net/index.cfm?page_name=Daniel11

Many people assume the king of the North is antichrist, but it has been fulfilled in history, the end of antichrist is different, he will not die like the king of the North but he shall be thrown alive to the fire hell with the false prophet in the Armageddon battle with Lord Jesus Himself.

Rev 19 ¹⁹ Then I saw the beast and the kings of the earth and their armies gathered together to wage war against the rider on the horse and his army. ²⁰ But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

So you believe at the time the king of the north came to his end in Daniel 11:45 ,that everyone of Daniels people who's names are written were delivered and the resurrection took place as in Daniel 12:2?

Daniel 11:45-12:2

And he shall pitch the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the holy mountain of beauty: but he shall come to his portion, and there is none to deliver him.

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

Can you provide a date when  this king of the north came his end ,and the great tribulation took place at that time and the dead were raised from the ground ?

 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

Really ,all I need is the date this was fulfilled.Ive always wanted to know the date the resurrection takes place.

Thank you.

 

 

And he shall pitch the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the holy mountain of beauty: but he shall come to his portion, and there is none to deliver him.

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

 

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

So many Christians in many forums still assume the king of the north is antichrist.

Well, Dan. 11:40-43 is a DEAD GIVEAWAY, who is he not allowed to Conquer? Edom, Ammon and Moab, and where is that located? In the Central and Southern Jordan Mountainous region. Where do the Jews flee unto in these end times? To the Petra/Bozra region. Its just too easy to understand, unless of course we have so grandiose idea that we have put forth ourselves, that the true facts do not align with, then we have to dodge these facts.

So, these very nations, in the mountains of Jordan are the only place in the whole Mediterranean Sea Region that does not get conquered. So, how is this even a question? By the way, this is the KOTN on only the "Syrian Wars" and God gave us every King of Greece because Antiochus was the Archetype Anti-Christ (Dan. 11:21-34) and the Anti-Christ (Dan. 11:36-45) thus is the last Greek born king, but he rules over the E.U. because Greece is in the E.U. When Dan. 11:29-33 if we understand the text we can see Antiochus spoken of and the A.C. hinted at.

Dan. 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return(Antiochus returns to try and rule over Egypt again), and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former(First time he conquered Egypt), or as the latter(The coming Anti-Christs rule as seen in Dan. 11:40-43 where he defeats Egypt).

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him(Rome and the Senate forbid Antiochus from cnqueing Egypt again): therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant(He killed 60-90K Jews): so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength(His Army moved in to Jerusalem), and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries(The pro Jewish Hellenites): but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits(The Maccabeans).

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many(Maccabeans): yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

So, this whole Four Generals Kingdoms runs from Alexander the Great all the way to the Anti-Christ. 

[Shilohsfoal]

51 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, Dan. 11:40-43 is a DEAD GIVEAWAY, who is he not allowed to Conquer? Edom, Ammon and Moab, and where is that located? In the Central and Southern Jordan Mountainous region. Where do the Jews flee unto in these end times? To the Petra/Bozra region. Its just too easy to understand, unless of course we have so grandiose idea that we have put forth ourselves, that the true facts do not align with, then we have to dodge these facts.

So, these very nations, in the mountains of Jordan are the only place in the whole Mediterranean Sea Region that does not get conquered. So, how is this even a question? By the way, this is the KOTN on only the "Syrian Wars" and God gave us every King of Greece because Antiochus was the Archetype Anti-Christ (Dan. 11:21-34) and the Anti-Christ (Dan. 11:36-45) thus is the last Greek born king, but he rules over the E.U. because Greece is in the E.U. When Dan. 11:29-33 if we understand the text we can see Antiochus spoken of and the A.C. hinted at.

Dan. 11:29 At the time appointed he shall return(Antiochus returns to try and rule over Egypt again), and come toward the south; but it shall not be as the former(First time he conquered Egypt), or as the latter(The coming Anti-Christs rule as seen in Dan. 11:40-43 where he defeats Egypt).

30 For the ships of Chittim shall come against him(Rome and the Senate forbid Antiochus from cnqueing Egypt again): therefore he shall be grieved, and return, and have indignation against the holy covenant(He killed 60-90K Jews): so shall he do; he shall even return, and have intelligence with them that forsake the holy covenant.

31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength(His Army moved in to Jerusalem), and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

32 And such as do wickedly against the covenant shall he corrupt by flatteries(The pro Jewish Hellenites): but the people that do know their God shall be strong, and do exploits(The Maccabeans).

33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many(Maccabeans): yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days.

So, this whole Four Generals Kingdoms runs from Alexander the Great all the way to the Anti-Christ. 

You believe Maccabeans have been jailed for 2190 years now and will continue to remain in jail till the time of the end?

Daniel 12:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

Who exactly are you saying is persecuting these people you call Maccabeans for the last 2190 years and counting?

 

I was under the impression this persecution would only last ,a time ,times and a half.Not more than 2190 years.

 

Daniel 12:7

And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.

[Shilohsfoal]

12 hours ago, R. Hartono said:

So many Christians in many forums still assume the king of the north is antichrist.

Really ,all I need is the date this was fulfilled.Ive always wanted to know the date the resurrection takes place.

Thank you.

 

 

And he shall pitch the tabernacle of his palace between the seas in the holy mountain of beauty: but he shall come to his portion, and there is none to deliver him.

And at that time Michael the great prince shall stand up, that stands over the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of tribulation, such tribulation as has not been from the time that there was a nation on the earth until that time: at that time thy people shall be delivered, even every one that is written in the book.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to reproach and everlasting shame.

[Revelation Man]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You believe Maccabeans have been jailed for 2190 years now and will continue to remain in jail till the time of the end?

Daniel 12:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere.

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

 

Who exactly are you saying is persecuting these people you call Maccabeans for the last 2190 years and counting?

 

I was under the impression this persecution would only last ,a time ,times and a half.Not more than 2190 years.

 

Daniel 12:7

And the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, raised his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by Him who lives forever, saying, “It will be for a time, and times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people has finally been shattered, all these things will be completed.

Lets give you one more chance to see if you can respect people by not replying to a comment you refuse to read. 

From my Daniel 11 & 12 Exegesis

Dan. 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

TRANSITION PERIOD

I think this three verse passage covers a 2000 some odd year stretch of time. It reaches from the Maccabean Revolt all the way unto the end times via verse 35 where it states even to the time of the end, which is a yet to be appointed time !! We see in verse 33 that many will understand but fall by the sword, flame, captivity, many days, this sounds like the early church Saints also, they understood, and thus Rome killed them in many violent ways, and when they fall they will be helped with a little help (Holy Spirit), but many will believe Satan's lies (flatteries). Verse 35 keeps up the 2000 year journey unto the end times, many will fall, be purged, made white (Jesus' blood) EVEN TO THE END TIMES !! Which is yet for a future time to be APPOINTED !! Then we see the Anti-Christ starting in verse 36. I think verse 33 is the Maccabean Revolt, and maybe the early Christian Church, then verses 34 and 35 transition via the whole 2000 year Church Age unto the end time !! The transition is a little convoluting and confuses many, some think Antiochus Epiphanes is the character that runs from Daniel 11:21 all the way to verse 45, some think its the Anti-Christ character that runs from verse 21 all the way to verse 45. Both sides seemingly can't see the transition that I see in verses 33-35. Its there, we just have to look a little deeper, it thus is the transition period between the two characters. 

SEGMENTED HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES 

It seems we need to look at this prophecy here in segments. A historical segment that has already been fulfilled (Dan. 11:1-35) and an eschatological segment where the prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. Of course when Daniel received this prophetic uttering none of it had basically come to pass, now all of it has come to pass except for Dan. 11:36-45 and Dan. 12:1-12. So, it seems after verse 35 we can say that we fast forward so to speak into eschatology. Although you might say we are at the utter end of verse 35, for the most part when the Rapture hits we will be at verse 36 via the Tribulation period. 

We get the historical lessons via the prophecy of all the Grecian Kingdoms and the Syrian Wars which are detailed unto the nth degree, then Rome became the Fourth Beast and Greece seems to have faded into the background so to speak until the last King/Little Horn arrives, which comes from their lineage, we know this via Daniel chapter 8. We are told of this end time king starting in verse 36 and running unto the end of Daniel chapter 12. Notice in verses 34 and 35 above, it speaks of the time of the end as a yet to be appointed time and states that basically from Antiochus Epiphanes on, there will continue to be persecution and troubles and many who fall will be helped but others will heed the lies of the wicked one or his (flatteries). Some who understand will fall OR BE TRIED and PURGED !! Think of Paul, Peter and the Saints of the Church Age....to make them WHITE (pure), even to the END OF TIME !! Very, very exciting stuff !!

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

The king here has to be the end time Anti-Christ/Beast of Daniel 7:11. He is of course not called the king of the north or south here for a specific reason, the Sixth Syrian War ended the Syrian Wars. Rome came between Greece and Egypt putting a halt to Antiochus Epiphanes plans for good. Rome of course eventually conquered both Egypt and Greece thus becoming the Fourth Beast of the region over Israel. The King of the North moniker is used starting in verse 40 because these KOTN vs. KOTS inter-kingdom battles were of course always about Wars (The Syrian Wars). Thus he is only mentioned as the KOTN once the war portion is being spoken about. 

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The Time, times and half [time] is a 1260 day end time period, not years. 

Edited July 9, 2023 by Revelation Man

[Shilohsfoal]

7 minutes ago, Revelation Man said:

Lets give you one more chance to see if you can respect people by not replying to a comment you refuse to read. 

From my Daniel 11 & 12 Exegesis

Dan. 11:33 And they that understand among the people shall instruct many: yet they shall fall by the sword, and by flame, by captivity, and by spoil, many days. 34 Now when they shall fall, they shall be holpen with a little help: but many shall cleave to them with flatteries. 35 And some of them of understanding shall fall, to try them, and to purge, and to make them white, even to the time of the end: because it is yet for a time appointed.

 

TRANSITION PERIOD

I think this three verse passage covers a 2000 some odd year stretch of time. It reaches from the Maccabean Revolt all the way unto the end times via verse 35 where it states even to the time of the end, which is a yet to be appointed time !! We see in verse 33 that many will understand but fall by the sword, flame, captivity, many days, this sounds like the early church Saints also, they understood, and thus Rome killed them in many violent ways, and when they fall they will be helped with a little help (Holy Spirit), but many will believe Satan's lies (flatteries). Verse 35 keeps up the 2000 year journey unto the end times, many will fall, be purged, made white (Jesus' blood) EVEN TO THE END TIMES !! Which is yet for a future time to be APPOINTED !! Then we see the Anti-Christ starting in verse 36. I think verse 33 is the Maccabean Revolt, and maybe the early Christian Church, then verses 34 and 35 transition via the whole 2000 year Church Age unto the end time !! The transition is a little convoluting and confuses many, some think Antiochus Epiphanes is the character that runs from Daniel 11:21 all the way to verse 45, some think its the Anti-Christ character that runs from verse 21 all the way to verse 45. Both sides seemingly can't see the transition that I see in verses 33-35. Its there, we just have to look a little deeper, it thus is the transition period between the two characters. 

SEGMENTED HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVES 

It seems we need to look at this prophecy here in segments. A historical segment that has already been fulfilled (Dan. 11:1-35) and an eschatological segment where the prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. Of course when Daniel received this prophetic uttering none of it had basically come to pass, now all of it has come to pass except for Dan. 11:36-45 and Dan. 12:1-12. So, it seems after verse 35 we can say that we fast forward so to speak into eschatology. Although you might say we are at the utter end of verse 35, for the most part when the Rapture hits we will be at verse 36 via the Tribulation period. 

We get the historical lessons via the prophecy of all the Grecian Kingdoms and the Syrian Wars which are detailed unto the nth degree, then Rome became the Fourth Beast and Greece seems to have faded into the background so to speak until the last King/Little Horn arrives, which comes from their lineage, we know this via Daniel chapter 8. We are told of this end time king starting in verse 36 and running unto the end of Daniel chapter 12. Notice in verses 34 and 35 above, it speaks of the time of the end as a yet to be appointed time and states that basically from Antiochus Epiphanes on, there will continue to be persecution and troubles and many who fall will be helped but others will heed the lies of the wicked one or his (flatteries). Some who understand will fall OR BE TRIED and PURGED !! Think of Paul, Peter and the Saints of the Church Age....to make them WHITE (pure), even to the END OF TIME !! Very, very exciting stuff !!

36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done.

The king here has to be the end time Anti-Christ/Beast of Daniel 7:11. He is of course not called the king of the north or south here for a specific reason, the Sixth Syrian War ended the Syrian Wars. Rome came between Greece and Egypt putting a halt to Antiochus Epiphanes plans for good. Rome of course eventually conquered both Egypt and Greece thus becoming the Fourth Beast of the region over Israel. The King of the North moniker is used starting in verse 40 because these KOTN vs. KOTS inter-kingdom battles were of course always about Wars (The Syrian Wars). Thus he is only mentioned as the KOTN once the war portion is being spoken about. 

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The Time, times and half [time] is a 1260 day end time period, not years. 

I agree the times ,times and a half are three and a half years.Scripture shows that how long the persecution of the saints in Daniel 33-35 lasts.Not 2190 years.

There are 42 months from the time the persecution begins to the time of the end in Daniel 11:40.

The king mentioned in Daniel 11:32 is the same king in Daniel 11:36.There is no other kings established in his estate between 11:32-11:36.

Edited July 9, 2023 by Shilohsfoal