When is 'the Church' judged?

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, The Light said:

However, He will be coming when you think not.

 

conjecture

 

kən-jĕk′chər

noun

1. Opinion or judgment based on inconclusive or incomplete evidence; guesswork.
2. An opinion or conclusion based on guesswork.
3. The act of forming an opinion without definite proof; a supposition made to account for an ascertained state of things, but as yet unverified; an opinion formed on insufficient presumptive evidence; a surmise; a guess.
   
    Just what the theory needs.  
    

   1 hour ago, The Light said:

   I wonder, just wonder who those kings and priests in Rev 5 are. I wonder if we can accept what is written or there is confusion on the simple things.

   Rev 1

   4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

   5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

   6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

   YES, YOU ARE CORRECT.  I AGREE 1000%. 
   
   The very people Jesus was speaking to ALL the way down through the years and even up unto this day, those who have been dying IN FAITH, in CHRIST are the very people we are seeing in REVELATION 5. 
   
   They are a part of the BODY OF CHRIST/THE CHURCH.  Just not the 'pre trib' one.
   
   They have come and done their work, suffered their afflictions, been tortured and killed for the name of Christ.  They endured to the end of the work given for their times.  There is no reason to think we will not be expected to do the same.  How many were alive one minute and the next were being received by Christ?  What did He say?   so that they could go be where He is,  and He is in heaven unto this very day.  Christ brings them to the Father.  No one comes to the Father but by the Son.
   
   
   WHAT IS WRITTEN.  WHAT IS SIMPLE TO READ AND UNDERSTAND WITHOUT ANY SORT OF EXPLANATION SO SIMPLE EVEN A CHILD COULD READ AND UNDERSTAND?  LET'S SEE..........
    

   John 
   
   Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now
   but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
   
   (Cant now, first The Lord and Saviour has work to finish AND Peter is still alive)

    Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.
   
   Would you?  Or do you think more of escaping?

   Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

   Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in Me.

   In my Father's house are many mansions, if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

   And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself that where I am, there ye may be also.
   
   The Lord and Saviour is going to die.  He is going to rise.  He is going to the right hand of God.  That is where He has been for 2000 years approx.  Do you think Peter has been in a hole in the ground or do you believe what CHRIST JUST TOLD HIM WAS TRUE?
   
   CHRIST says HE WILL COME AGAIN AND RECEIVE PETER SO THAT WHERE CHRIST IS PETER MAY BE ALSO.  CHRIST IS IN HEAVEN.  if Peter isn't in heaven then can we believe anything that is written?  
   
   Don't be like the heathen,  INSTEAD BE COMFORTED.  We PASS through death unto life.  ETERNAL life doesn't begin when we rise, IT BEGINS when we are saved.  We are brought to the Father.  And who receives us?  The Lord and Saviour

   1 hour ago, The Light said:

   However, He will be coming when you think not. That's why He has to come more than once.

   When do we think not?  Right now as we sit and type.  BUT any moment we could be seeing His face.  BUT if it were about 'coming for the church, then all the angels have to be gathered and there is a whole production going on in heaven.  NO this is personal.  This is spiritual.  This isn't about 'escaping'.   
   
   
   DO YOU SEE WHY I CAN'T BELIEVE AS YOU DO?  IT ISN'T THAT I CAN'T UNDERSTAND,   
   
   
   BUT IT IS AS YOU SAY HERE

   1 hour ago, The Light said:

   I wonder if we can accept what is written or there is confusion on the simple things.

   ARE YOU CONFUSED ABOUT THE SIMPLE PASSAGE I HAVE PUT FORTH? 
   
   About the simple truth it is giving us?  AGAIN, Remember what He said to Martha.
   
    

   John 11:21 Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

   John 11:22 But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

   John 11:23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

   John 11:24 Martha saith unto Him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.
   
   
   BUT WHAT DID JESUS SAY?

   John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life:
   he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live

   
   Jesus is the life and the life is in us and so the life can't be buried and stay in the grave.  The life within us rises, we have no choice. 
   
   WE ARE RAISED WITH HIM. 
   
   NOT IN THOUGHT BUT IN REALITY.
   
   
   
   So TODAY and everyday WATCH for you don't know when He comes.  Don't let 'this world' seduce you into drinking and being evil and thinking you will have time to repent later.  Don't let the cares of this world STEAL or 'break into your house/tabernacle/vessel/body, spirit, soul.   If you would have known when you were to die, you would never let that happen.  Live your life that way.  
   
   
   So back to the question, Where can I find scripture that 'the church' is raptured and that it is 'that raptured church'  that returns?  
   
   Haven't you noticed that EVERYTHING goes against it?
   
   So again, when is the death and judgment
   
   
   I notice once again nothing NEW was addressed. 
   
   And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

   Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

   Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

   Shouldn't that read 'no church' cometh unto the Father?
   
   
   Thank you again for letting me put forth more common sense and less 'theory' truth.  
   
   
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On 12/10/2021 at 9:49 PM, DeighAnn said:

We are here

Matthew 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences,

waiting for   -   and earthquakes, in divers places.

Matthew 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

While we are there

Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Which is also the time of

and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

THE CHURCH THAT GATHERS TO WORSHIP GOD WILL CEASE TO EXIST  NOT BECAUSE IT WAS RAPTURED AWAY BUT BECAUSE  THE WORSHIP IN THE CHURCHES WILL BE GOING TO THINGS AND PEOPLE OF THIS WORLD AND NOT TO GOD IN HEAVEN. IT WILL BE A FALLING AWAY FROM TRUTH, UNKNOWN TO THOSE WITHOUT THE GOPSEL ARMOR.  BY DECEPTION THEY ARE OVERCOME AND WILL NOT KNOW UNTIL CHRIST RETURNS

BUT GOD DOESN'T ABANDON US, HE INSTEAD 

Revelation 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Revelation 11:5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Revelation 13:3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

Revelation 13:4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?

Revelation 13:5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Revelation 13:6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

Revelation 13:7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Revelation 13:9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.

and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

The two will continue until 3 1/2 days before the Lords Return at which point - they will be killed and then
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate

Jesus returns

Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.

 

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

Revelation 19:18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and THE FLESH OF ALL MEN BOTH FREE AND BOND BOTH SMALL AND GREAT

LIKE I KEEP SAYING 'NO EARTHY FLESH' WILL EXIST WHEN THE LORDS DAY BEGINS.  WE ARE GOING INTO A DIFFERENT REALM.  THAT IS WHY THE 'SACRIFICES' WILL BE 'SYMBOLIC' AS THE BLOOD OF CHRIST COVERS ALL TIME AND ALL BLOOD LETTING FOR THE FORGIVENESS OF SINS HAS BEEN REMOVED FOREVER.  LIKE THE ANGELS IN HEAVEN.  NO EXCUSES FOR MENTAL DISEASE OR PHYSICAL DEFECT WHEN STANDING IN JUDGMENT.  NOT ABOUT THE BODY BUT THE HEART AND MIND.  

 

Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

 

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

Revelation 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

 

Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

Revelation 20:9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Revelation 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

Revelation 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

GOD MARRIED HE AND DIVORCED HER AND NOW IS TO BE MARRIED TO HER AGAIN
 

Revelation 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.

Revelation 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.

Revelation 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Revelation 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

Revelation 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Revelation 21:8 BUT THE FEARFUL AND UNBELIEVING  and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

 

Revelation 22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

Revelation 22:8 And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things.

Revelation 22:9 Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.

Revelation 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand.

Revelation 22:11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.




Back to the beginning of REVELATION  back to JOHNS time

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

Revelation 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Revelation 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.

Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Revelation 22:20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Revelation 22:21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.


Super brief - and what written above should convey
we are here - mystery of iniquity working, body of Christ building
Satan comes - deception begins - Body of Christ falling or withstanding 
Jesus comes - NEW REALM - all in spiritual bodies some immortal, some not
 Satan bound - Truth being taught
The Lords Day - bringing whomsoever would and discipline being taught
Satan released - FINAL TRIB
good and evil separated
GOD DESTROYS evil. 
Good receive rewards

New heaven and New earth 

(the old is GONE with no remembrance of it).  (kinda like now) 

The rest is too good for words.  

Thank you for taking the time to write your thoughts. The reader can compare mine a then yours and make a decision.

God bless