Starise Posted March 29, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,104 Content Per Day: 9.70 Reputation: 13,593 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2023 Addressing OO. Might as well scrap Sunday too according to that logic right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis1209 Posted March 29, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 18 Topic Count: 349 Topics Per Day: 0.13 Content Count: 7,504 Content Per Day: 2.70 Reputation: 5,401 Days Won: 1 Joined: 09/27/2016 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2023 19 minutes ago, AdHoc said: @Slibhin @Starise @other one @adamjedgar @NickyLouse @Dennis1209 @R. Hartono @Justin Adams Here are some considerations that must be settled. If I can deal with five of seven matters I probably haven't seen all there is to see. 1. There can be no talk of the Law outside of Israel. It is made solely with Israel. Only a Gentile who chose to dwell in Isral was subject to it. 2. The Law is good, spiritual and God inspired 3. The Law is the contents of a Covenant - the duties and penalties. This Covenant was made with Israel ALONE 4. The New Covenant of Jeremiah 31:31-33 will have, as its conditions, the SAME Law and is made with Israel ALONE 5. The Law in its entirety remains valid to heaven and earth pass - i.e. the end of the Millennium 6. The Gentile who puts himself under Law achieves nothing except to insult Christ 7. The animal sacrifices had two functions. 1. Temporarily cover trespasses. 2. Cleanse the flesh 8. Christ's sacrifice took care of point 1. for the whole world (1st Jn.2:2) 9. Christ's blood took care of point 2. ONLY FOR THE CHURCH (those who believed in Him) 10. Therefore, those of Zechariah 14:16, need a way to cleanse the flesh during the Millennium 11. The Passover is a MEMORIAL of EGYPT. It will be practiced in the Millennium (Lk.22:16) 12. The Law was "fulfilled" by Christ, but not by Israel. This will be realized in the Millennium 13. The Jew who remained a Jew is fully subject to the Law. The Jew who became a Christian is fully severed from the Law 14. The Law establishes a righteousness to enable God to live in the midst (albeit behind a curtain) of Israel. This righteousness is totally inadequate for enabling God to live IN a man (as He does in the church). Any believer who returns to the Law admits that their righteousness is sufficient and Christ's is inadequate. This is a deep offense to the Father Who APPROVED Christ's righteous life, and it is a deep offense against the Person and Work of Christ. 15. Any man who is under Law MUST FULFILL ALL THE LAW. If he fails under ONE POINT he is guilty of ALL. That means that all under the Law break the Law for the Temple, which is the center of the Law, is gone. If you are guilty of certain Law you have earned the death penalty. The Law, when its TRUTH is applied, sentences every adherent TO DEATH. 16. Here is the test. Deuteronomy 12 requires those under Law to go to Jerusalem and the Temple three times a year together with his first and best tenth from the land and feast there. Did you do it every year? If not you are a Law-breaker and worthy of death. The absence of the Temple is not foreseen by the Law, so that is no excuse. Points one through sixteen: CHECK MARK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
other one Posted March 29, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 29 Topic Count: 599 Topics Per Day: 0.08 Content Count: 56,222 Content Per Day: 7.56 Reputation: 27,947 Days Won: 271 Joined: 12/29/2003 Status: Offline Share Posted March 29, 2023 36 minutes ago, Starise said: Addressing OO. Might as well scrap Sunday too according to that logic right? Sunday is not the Sabbath. The Sabbath is Friday evening at sundown to Saturday sundown. (not required for Born Again Christians, but not forbidden either) Sunday is just when we meet to pray, praise the Lord and learn more of the word and to be with other believers to be friends. We sometimes have a meal after services and always have a meal before Wednesday night services. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Adams Posted March 30, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 25 Topic Count: 61 Topics Per Day: 0.03 Content Count: 9,606 Content Per Day: 3.95 Reputation: 7,797 Days Won: 21 Joined: 09/11/2017 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2023 21 hours ago, Starise said: Might as well scrap Sunday too according to that logic right? Yes. The Theocracy was always destined to be destroyed by the NEW COVENANT. Read and understand Hebrews. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starise Posted March 30, 2023 Group: Worthy Ministers Followers: 13 Topic Count: 279 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 13,104 Content Per Day: 9.70 Reputation: 13,593 Days Won: 149 Joined: 08/26/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted March 30, 2023 So what I hear is not necessarily a clearcut answer. We have precident for Saturday as the sabbath. In one place Jesus tells the Jews to continue in those ways. In other instances, we have Jesus doing things on the sabbath the Jews forbade. When called on it, Jesus indicated the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. Some will say we should not work on Sunday. Western countries adopted Sunday as a day that had some of the sabbath qualities, such as no work on that day. Shops would remain closed on Sunday. This is traditionally my background. Since we know Sunday isn't the sabbath, then why attach anything to the day? The only real reason to meet on the day is because we agreed on it and it fulflls the requirement to meet regularly and worship. The day is not really a sabbath replacement. To say the sabbath is still in effect may only be seen to apply to Jewish people and others who feel more convicted to hold to that day. In Christian teaching Jesus is the last word. He was trying to show the difference between Jewish imposed rules and His rules. Originally God knew men need to rest and a time to reflect on Him, so He initiated the Sabbath as that day. Over time the Jews added so much fluff to it, the day became almost impossible for any average Jew to uphold in keeping all of those rules. This was NOT the original intent. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted May 8, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,984 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted May 8, 2023 On 3/31/2023 at 12:15 AM, Starise said: So what I hear is not necessarily a clearcut answer. We have precident for Saturday as the sabbath. In one place Jesus tells the Jews to continue in those ways. In other instances, we have Jesus doing things on the sabbath the Jews forbade. When called on it, Jesus indicated the sabbath was made for man not man for the sabbath. Some will say we should not work on Sunday. Western countries adopted Sunday as a day that had some of the sabbath qualities, such as no work on that day. Shops would remain closed on Sunday. This is traditionally my background. Since we know Sunday isn't the sabbath, then why attach anything to the day? The only real reason to meet on the day is because we agreed on it and it fulflls the requirement to meet regularly and worship. The day is not really a sabbath replacement. To say the sabbath is still in effect may only be seen to apply to Jewish people and others who feel more convicted to hold to that day. In Christian teaching Jesus is the last word. He was trying to show the difference between Jewish imposed rules and His rules. Originally God knew men need to rest and a time to reflect on Him, so He initiated the Sabbath as that day. Over time the Jews added so much fluff to it, the day became almost impossible for any average Jew to uphold in keeping all of those rules. This was NOT the original intent. Its the era of Holy Spirit downpour now, everyday should be a Sabbath, to rest heart ( not the body) in God. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted June 18, 2023 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 774 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,949 Content Per Day: 3.06 Reputation: 1,984 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Author Share Posted June 18, 2023 On 3/30/2023 at 7:52 PM, Justin Adams said: Yes. The Theocracy was always destined to be destroyed by the NEW COVENANT. Read and understand Hebrews. https://www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/James 2%3A10 Christians who obey the Law must obey all. Including sacrificing animal for sin atonement, circumcised etc 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptWalker Posted June 18, 2023 Group: Advanced Member Followers: 3 Topic Count: 56 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 441 Content Per Day: 0.28 Reputation: 128 Days Won: 0 Joined: 12/25/2019 Status: Offline Birthday: 03/20/1970 Share Posted June 18, 2023 Even the weakest Christian can see that the Sabbath day was done away with after Christs death...but it does take a very strong-minded Christian to think HIS sacrifice/death was not good enough to do away with it...so i guess maybe i should at least acknowlegde the 7 day Adventists for that alone, and since they do name there churches after what they believe in...so then i am sure calling them out will not be too offensive, if at all?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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