A CASE AGAINST US

[Your closest friendnt]

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

Hi Close,

I tend to go the opposite way with this.  If what was taking place made God unhappy they might be held to a higher standard because of that covenant relationship but WE are held to a higher standard because we have been gifted with the Holy Spirit.  

Hi d.,

This it is so, Jesus Christ required a very high standard from his disciples, and at the end he required from them to give their lives when the time was right for the Gospel.

This is truth about the his disciples but not for everyone who believes in him.

To each one his own. The life of Every one in hidden in Jesus Christ and it is not known to anyone else. 

That's why we cannot judged by pointing to any rules of conduct written in the bible. 

Not even for our selves.

Unless the Holy Spirit has asks specifically from us about something. 

15 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

The  old covenant was 'done away with' because of OUR weakness, not because of a lack of requirement.   THEY only appeared to be less glorious because of the brightness and glory of the NEW COVENANT.  The first HAD to go away to bring in the second. 

The Covenant of Sinai was between the Israelites and God.

(What is the reference to "God" in this context? )

It is referring to the Creator even the Creator of man) 

(Even Adam in the Garden)

Even the Almighty God, the God of Abraham, and Issac and Jacob.

The God who was setting up the stage for the dwell between him and the one who had the power over the human race. The great Serpent we read about in Genesis. 

Setting up the stage for the great dwell between him as the seed of the woman and the one who because of Adam's disobedience he took Adam Away from God at the time of his death.

And for that matter all of the Human race, as all the Human race inherited the death that came to Adam at the time of his disobedience. 

They did not had to disobeyed God them selves to be sting with the sting of death the way Adam was at the time of his disobedience. 

They were born that way with the sting of death. Believing in God and not worshiping the Idols and living their lives in such way as to find favor with God and God testing them and not falling the test as in the case of Noah whom God asked to build the Ark and whose obedience was tested year after year for about 120 years.

It was not because he obeyed the moral requirements of God at that time (that too) as before God asked him to built the Ark he was righteous in the eyes of God. 

But after being tested for 120 years building the Ark him and his children and bringing into completion the Ark according to the instructions recieved from God , this is the time that God told him 

Noah you have been found righteous in the eyes of God, after he obeyed the command of God. ( God at the same time was telling him that the Ark is ready, it has come to completion. 

But God did not give him imputed righteousness even after all that hard work and Noah's inherited death from God was not removed and his Inheritance after death remained the same as Adam's. 

Till we come to Abraham the first man God imputed righteousness because Abram (not Abraham at the time believe in God's promise to him that he will have a heir out of himself. 

[Diaste]

On 12/12/2021 at 12:35 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

That's why we cannot judged by pointing to any rules of conduct written in the bible. 

Not even for our selves.

Unless the Holy Spirit has asks specifically from us about something.

This is way outside the bulk of personal responsibility as taught by Christ. 

Love your neighbor as yourself. This covers a wide range of behavior and without loving your neighbor one does not know God, nor can one love God without it.

Love God and love your neighbor are the written rules of conduct. Specific and unequivocal. Eternal and righteous. 

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Diaste said:

This is way outside the bulk of personal responsibility as taught by Christ. 

Love your neighbor as yourself. This covers a wide range of behavior and without loving your neighbor one does not know God, nor can one love God without it.

Love God and love your neighbor are the written rules of conduct. Specific and unequivocal. Eternal and righteous. 

We are learning or we are asked to learn how to love our neighbor.

Every one is capable to a different degree from anyone else. Some are similar but are not the same. 

Only the Holy Spirit can know everything about a man and all the dramatic sircumstances that have happened in his life.

Only the Holy Spirit can make him capable and able  to respond in what he is asking him. The Holy Spirit is not going to asked someone to do what he is not capable of doing.

Everyone is afflicted to a different degree and with different afflictions from one another. 

Yes the goal is to learn to love one another and when we learn to do that we will not found our selves in situations that cause us to sin. 

To learn to forgive it leads to love our neighbor, we need to learn to do that for the benefit of our neighbor for he own good and the good of our own families and our selves. .

Forgiveness is the goal but it has to be done in a disciplined way. 

It is not a Cart-Blanc situation.

When the Holy Spirit says it is time to forgive. 

To hold on and not to forgive too quickly is not a sin.

To hurry into vengeful actions that includes violent behavior among others out bursts of anger directed towards others whom we disapprove without careful examination, passing quick judgments, because that's how we feel. 

Letting our feelings do the judgment and not doing the judgement our selves independent from our feelings which fellings can often impaired our Judgment. 

This is what happened to the Jews and the leaders they could not find their peace till the time when they put to death Jesus.

Then they said "we have done our duty". 

"God is please with us", and waiting for their reward from God. But God did not hold it against them because it was his will for Jesus Christ to die for the sins of the world and he preached the Gospel to them, he did not take revenge on them. 

He kept them alive so they have the chance to believe. 

A big change from the system of the Old Covenant. 

In the new Covenant Jesus Christ sends his people with the message of the Gospel to them and with the quote God will never get tired waiting for you. Till your last breath he will be waiting for anyone of you. He wants everyone to live so they have all the chances they could have and to believe. 

The New is in " the Gospel of Jesus Christ is in" for those who have not believe at first the call of the Gospel continues and for those who have believe and are his people the call to consider what they are doing will continue to go out to them and to what they are capable and are able to do. 

When someone is able and capable of doing something he should not be quick to pass judgment on someone else who is in his own strength and not like them.

Discretion is taken. 

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Diaste said:

 

Love your neighbor as yourself. This covers a wide range of behavior and without loving your neighbor one does not know God, nor can one love God without it

 

The disciple of Jesus Christ is addressing believers in Jesus Christ, the children of God because of Jesus Christ, the children of the New Covenant who had forgiveness of sins in the blood of Jesus Christ and being under his blood they were in his imputed righteousness. For that matter they are heirs of Heaven together with Jesus Christ who is in Heaven and they too when the time will come to go to him, and that time will come when they breath their last breath of their lives in this earthly body. 

The disciple of Jesus Christ notice that some believer did not understand very well how God loved the whole world including those whom they do not loved.

Because in Jesus Christ God is offered to the whole world and wants that everyone gets the chance to believe in him.

He is waiting for everyone till their last breath to believe.

The primary intent for everyone to believe and to believe as they are.

That includes even if they are full of hatred against God and other people. 

Not to wait till they learned to love God or their neighbors and then to believe. 

No he wants everyone to believe as they are, he accepts them as they are in the work of Jesus Christ his Son. This is what we say that they are accepted IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. 

The disciples guidance is good to those who are seeking God and they want to learn from God.

That time the people were confused and even today as they were and will be when they read how God deal with the Israelites when he was in a Covenant with them only and not with the rest of the world and in their Covenant they had something which is not part of the New Covenant in the blood of Jesus Christ. 

We do not have the Eye for and Eye in the New but what we have is that God turns the other chick. He refuses to punish and to destroyed the people in the way it happen in the past whether they are his own people or the people who do not believe in him yet and he is waiting for them to believe. 

God will never take from them their chances to believe and their right to be Judged according to whetger they have believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ or not. 

That includes to have their chance to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to have their sins put under the blood of Jesus Christ. 

The disciple of Jesus Christ giving a lesson how to grow in loving our neighbors did not meant to and he never did Judge faith in Jesus Christ because he knew that he is talking to those who were under the blood of Jesus Christ, those who were in Him. In his Righteousness, and in his Heavenly Inheritance. 

Those who were the children of God in Jesus Christ because they believe in him, even though they were not learn how to love their neighbors the way God loves them.  

Edited December 13, 2021 by Your closest friendnt

[Diaste]

20 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We are learning or we are asked to learn how to love our neighbor.

Every one is capable to a different degree from anyone else. Some are similar but are not the same. 

Only the Holy Spirit can know everything about a man and all the dramatic sircumstances that have happened in his life.

Only the Holy Spirit can make him capable and able  to respond in what he is asking him. The Holy Spirit is not going to asked someone to do what he is not capable of doing.

Everyone is afflicted to a different degree and with different afflictions from one another. 

Yes the goal is to learn to love one another and when we learn to do that we will not found our selves in situations that cause us to sin. 

To learn to forgive it leads to love our neighbor, we need to learn to do that for the benefit of our neighbor for he own good and the good of our own families and our selves. .

Forgiveness is the goal but it has to be done in a disciplined way. 

It is not a Cart-Blanc situation.

When the Holy Spirit says it is time to forgive. 

To hold on and not to forgive too quickly is not a sin.

To hurry into vengeful actions that includes violent behavior among others out bursts of anger directed towards others whom we disapprove without careful examination, passing quick judgments, because that's how we feel. 

Letting our feelings do the judgment and not doing the judgement our selves independent from our feelings which fellings can often impaired our Judgment. 

This is what happened to the Jews and the leaders they could not find their peace till the time when they put to death Jesus.

Then they said "we have done our duty". 

"God is please with us", and waiting for their reward from God. But God did not hold it against them because it was his will for Jesus Christ to die for the sins of the world and he preached the Gospel to them, he did not take revenge on them. 

He kept them alive so they have the chance to believe. 

A big change from the system of the Old Covenant. 

In the new Covenant Jesus Christ sends his people with the message of the Gospel to them and with the quote God will never get tired waiting for you. Till your last breath he will be waiting for anyone of you. He wants everyone to live so they have all the chances they could have and to believe. 

The New is in " the Gospel of Jesus Christ is in" for those who have not believe at first the call of the Gospel continues and for those who have believe and are his people the call to consider what they are doing will continue to go out to them and to what they are capable and are able to do. 

When someone is able and capable of doing something he should not be quick to pass judgment on someone else who is in his own strength and not like them.

Discretion is taken. 

"

One day an expert in the law stood up to test Him. “Teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

26“What is written in the Law?” Jesus replied. “How do you read it?”

27He answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’c and ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’d”

28“You have answered correctly,” Jesus said. “Do this and you will live.”

"

I think its way past time to start listening.

 

“And who is my neighbor?”

30Jesus took up this question and said, “A man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho when he fell into the hands of robbers. They stripped him, beat him, and went away, leaving him half dead.

31Now by chance a priest was going down the same road, but when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

32So too, when a Levite came to that spot and saw him, he passed by on the other side.

33But when a Samaritan on a journey came upon him, he looked at him and had compassion. 34He went to him and bandaged his wounds, pouring on oil and wine. Then he put him on his own animal, brought him to an inn, and took care of him.

35The next day he took out two denariie and gave them to the innkeeper. ‘Take care of him,’ he said, ‘and on my return I will repay you for any additional expense.’

36Which of these three do you think was a neighbor to the man who fell into the hands of robbers?”

37“The one who showed him mercy,” replied the expert in the law.

Then Jesus told him, “Go and do likewise.”

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[Diaste]

19 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

The disciple of Jesus Christ is addressing believers in Jesus Christ, the children of God because of Jesus Christ, the children of the New Covenant who had forgiveness of sins in the blood of Jesus Christ and being under his blood they were in his imputed righteousness. For that matter they are heirs of Heaven together with Jesus Christ who is in Heaven and they too when the time will come to go to him, and that time will come when they breath their last breath of their lives in this earthly body. 

The disciple of Jesus Christ notice that some believer did not understand very well how God loved the whole world including those whom they do not loved.

Because in Jesus Christ God is offered to the whole world and wants that everyone gets the chance to believe in him.

He is waiting for everyone till their last breath to believe.

The primary intent for everyone to believe and to believe as they are.

That includes even if they are full of hatred against God and other people. 

Not to wait till they learned to love God or their neighbors and then to believe. 

No he wants everyone to believe as they are, he accepts them as they are in the work of Jesus Christ his Son. This is what we say that they are accepted IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST. 

The disciples guidance is good to those who are seeking God and they want to learn from God.

That time the people were confused and even today as they were and will be when they read how God deal with the Israelites when he was in a Covenant with them only and not with the rest of the world and in their Covenant they had something which is not part of the New Covenant in the blood of Jesus Christ. 

We do not have the Eye for and Eye in the New but what we have is that God turns the other chick. He refuses to punish and to destroyed the people in the way it happen in the past whether they are his own people or the people who do not believe in him yet and he is waiting for them to believe. 

God will never take from them their chances to believe and their right to be Judged according to whetger they have believe in the Gospel of Jesus Christ or not. 

That includes to have their chance to hear the Gospel of Jesus Christ and to have their sins put under the blood of Jesus Christ. 

The disciple of Jesus Christ giving a lesson how to grow in loving our neighbors did not meant to and he never did Judge faith in Jesus Christ because he knew that he is talking to those who were under the blood of Jesus Christ, those who were in Him. In his Righteousness, and in his Heavenly Inheritance. 

Those who were the children of God in Jesus Christ because they believe in him, even though they were not learn how to love their neighbors the way God loves them.  

Which has nothing to do with what I said.

"Beloved, let us love one another, because love comes from God. Everyone who loves has been born of God and knows God. 8Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."

"If anyone says, “I love God,” but hates his brother, he is a liar. For anyone who does not love his brother, whom he has seen, cannot love God, whom he has not seen. 21And we have this commandment from Him: Whoever loves God must love his brother as well."

 

[choir loft]

On 12/11/2021 at 1:00 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

Often times we take what we read a little too far.

I understand your attempt to make a parallel comparison between one and the other. 

But this cannot be a fair and not prejudicial comparison between the two.

The events you are quoting from the book of Hosea happened at some time before the Cross to a specific people who lived at that time and not through out all the generations of Israel from since the Law was given.

There it is, I just said the magic word, those words were spoken by the Lord who was in the Covenant of Sinai with this group of people. 

The Lord is remind them that he is entitled to enforce the terms of the Covenant between them and him. 

Are you not taking too far? 

Are you not making this up?

Are you speaking on behalf of the Lord who was one part of the Sinai Covenant with this specific generation only.

Who was also the Enforcer of the Sinai Covenant terms.

Now it is left up to you to prove that the people you are referring to are in a Covenant , the Sinai Covenant with the Lord and are subject to the Judgments of violating the terms of the Sinai Covenant. 

Keep in mind to check their eligibility to be part of that Covenant by proving that they are the descendants of Abraham from the house of Jacob and they are Circumcise according to the Law and that they have offered the sacrifice required by the Law in the Temple in Jerusalem to the Priests to the descendants of Aaron. 

Please also checked this out that Jesus Christ has not died yet for the sins of the world. 

Because we cannot have Jesus Christ and the Lord of the Sinai Covenant reigned at the same time.

It is one or the other, it cannot be both at the same time.

The lesson is not to be afraid when we read the Judging words in those books because they are not the words of Jesus Christ who has died for our sins, paying the price for the chastisement of  our sins, having been already punished for our sins...

Jesus has never spoken those words and he will never speak those words. It can not be. 

Remember who is our Judge and the Judge of all the people of the world, it is Jesus Christ the Son of God the one who can give the Life of God to the people of the world that has never happened before not anyone before Jesus Christ has given the Life of God to any Man including the sinners. 

The Life of God takes us to Heaven. 

Yours is a typical response often stated by post-reformation American Protestants.  It is hypocritical and erroneous to a level beyond that of reason, perspective and spiritual responsibility.   HERE'S WHY;

The attitude adopted by faux christians today is that Israel has been abandoned by God and that the church has replaced the Jew as the apple of Heaven's eye.   Both are patently false.  God has NEVER abandoned His people Israel and the church is nothing if not a self-aggrandizing business venture that has fallen on hard times.  

The modern Christian anti-Semitic attitude is on display in every church in the land.

The church claims the words of ancient prophets to Israel don't apply to them because "that was then and this is now".  Has God changed in some way?  The Bible says He does not change.  Therefore God's principles apply to ancient people as well as people who consider themselves so modern they don't need lessons from history - even if its Biblical history.  

If Jesus IS GOD, then He was indeed present at Sinai when the LAW was passed to Hebrew LAW keepers on earth.  You are correct in one instance, however.   Jesus did NOT die for the SINs of the world.  

Jesus died for the SINs of the nation - OF ISRAEL.  (John 11:51)   Those who humble themselves before God and ask to be saved BECOME JEWS in the eyes of God - not church members.  (Romans 2:29)   Church membership hasn't and won't save anybody.  Neither will Christian traditions save anyone including Santa Claus, the Easter Bunny, Halloween pumpkins, Baptism and Holy Communion. Only the blood of Christ saves.  That's it and that's all.

Many words are written by the apostle Paul stating gentile believers are grafted into the true vine - Jesus Christ.  Jesus did not become a pope and Christ is not the figurehead of some gentile false religion.   Jesus is KING OF THE JEWS and those who yield themselves to Him become His subjects - become Jews.   God so loved the world that those who believe in Him would be granted eternal life (John 3:16).  BUT three verses later we are reminded by Christ Himself that most people will reject God's generosity because they love SIN more.  Thus the world wallows in its own blood and dies by its own hand.

Church folk hypocritically claim they are not under the law.  In the next breath they demand 10% tithes for the church bank account claiming the law as justification for their request.  Nowhere in the NT are tithes required of us.  Which is it?  Are we saved by GRACE so as to live by the LAW or are we just nit pickers who quote bits of scripture here and there so as to justify our own purposes and schemes?

If the words of Hosea do not echo with similarity to the modern age, then perhaps we all need to take a second look at them for the Bible speaks to all of us from ancient times to the present.  If we do not harken to those words we will suffer the same fate as those who did not listen to them when they were originally spoken and written.

This is God's Word.  We need to pay attention to it more so today than any time in recent history.

Some have said America is circling the drain of history.   I submit, dear reader, that we aren't circling the drain any more.

We're in it.

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

[choir loft]

In light of recent tragedies, the question will sooner or later be asked as to how a good God can allow such terrible things to happen.

 

I'LL TELL YOU HOW.

 

America has turned its collective back upon God. Habitual worshippers have adopted the attitude of passive indifference, which God hates (Rev 3:14-22). All the rest hate the thought of God interfering in our personal lives and business. We don't want to be told what to do by God, by the people God sends to us or by anybody else. We know what's best for us. Sure we do.

 

As a nation we've told God to hit the road.

 

We don't want a powerful deity looking over our shoulders telling us how to live. Even church folks prefer a helpless thumb-sucking god in an animal feed box or a dead guy on a stick. NOBODY wants a powerful entity who graciously gave us LAW & the orderly life it provides. Our empty boasts declare we can do it ourselves. We don't need God's guidance and protection.

 

Until something goes wrong.

 

When that happens we whine and cry and blame God and ask where His goodness went. God's goodness left town when we told Him to GET OUT.

 

We've become a nation of self-aggrandizing prideful bigots and the thing we hate most is GOD - the only one at this point who can save us. YES, GOD IS GOOD. That's why He honored our prideful attitude and left us to our own devices.

 

How's that working for us?

 

that's me, hollering from the choir loft...

Edited December 14, 2021 by choir loft

[Alive]

There has always been terrible sinful acts rampant on this earth since the fall. It was true in the first century and it is true now.

Sin and the flesh of adam assure it.

I do believe that God deals differently with nations than He does individuals. I have long believed the corner turned a sharp one when the nation as a nation endorsed the murdering of the unborn and the born. That is akin to Molech worship--and as I see things--things have gotten much worse since then. I don't know that these prophecies apply, but the principles certainly do.

[other one]

On 12/11/2021 at 9:18 AM, DeighAnn said:

Why?  Gods chosen people were scattered to the world.  Ever notice IN GOD WE TRUST. Go back to the setting up of this CHRISTIAN NATION and you will see God ALL OVER IT.  Read the promises of a 'new land' where they will dwell in peace and all the other things He said and you will know.  America also has ALL THE TRIBES living here.  Coincidence?  

I know of the people who put that "IN God We Trust" on everything and I would question what God they are talking about.....   it certainly isn't mine.      America was created as a land of freedom, because those who were the most responsible for setting it up could not practice the things they did in Europe. 

It did open up the country for moral people to push the country to greatness, but that was not the reason for it's beginnings.  Just look at the architecture in Washington DC to understand where it came from.