Bawb Posted December 19, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said: You twist scripture...and is evidenced in the very first sentence of this...and im the one twisting it? For example....the christ-MASS statement. The church has been celebrating christmas, on December 25th no less well before the Catholic church celebrated it. Its not a catholic holiday. To say otherwise is ignorant of the facts. Weve already established that your dating methods are completely unscriptural and false. Which pretty much eradicates your entire argument... When the fact is the date is irrelevent. Theres nowhere in the Bible that says you have to celebrate christmas on a certain date. And its not a commanded holiday. It is a day many christians choose to celebrate Christ. Until you can show where the Bible commands us NOT to celebrate Christ, then you have zero ground to stand on. I posted scripture. What scripture did I twist? Please tell me. When was Christmas first celebrated? In an old list of Roman bishops, compiled in A. D. 354 these words appear for A.D. 336: "25 Dec.: natus Christus in Betleem Judeae." December 25th, Christ born in Bethlehem, Judea. This day, December 25, 336, is the first recorded celebration of Christmas. Yes, it is a Catholic Holiday. You have established nothing I've said to be false. I quoted scriptures concerning time. I can't tell you the exact time, but I clearly established when it wasn't which you also admit by the way. Also, it would seem that the "church" did not celebrate Christ-Mass for over 300 years after Yeshua's Ascension. So much for "always celebrating Christmas." What "church" do you speak of? The Roman Catholic Church? Certainly the Assemblies of the original Apostles did not celebrate Christ-Mass. You know, James, John, Peter... The ones who would have known when Yeshua was born. I would really like you to prove that one to me. At this point, you are just able to give the "I know what you are but what am I" Pee-Wee Herman argument. You have produced no Scripture or proved anything. All you've done is to accuse me of telling lies and twisting scripture. What lies have I told? Just because something is contrary to what you believe, does not make it a lie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddyv Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 6 Topic Count: 6 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 4,265 Content Per Day: 2.90 Reputation: 2,302 Days Won: 1 Joined: 05/03/2020 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Bawb said: Yes, it is a Catholic Holiday Since this was well before the Great Schism, this is not the medieval or modern Roman Catholic church. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneLight Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 22 Topic Count: 1,294 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 31,762 Content Per Day: 5.22 Reputation: 9,763 Days Won: 115 Joined: 09/14/2007 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 2 hours ago, Bawb said: Wow, that was some scriptural acrobatics... There is a gigantic difference between using a computer and using false pagan worship to worship YeHoVah... No it was not. I was calling you out for being hypocritical. Now, if someone was worshiping a false god on December 25th, what you are pointing out would be true, YET, until you know the heart in every person you say this to, you are judging falsely, pretending to be a god, as in being an omniscience deity, one of the attributes given to God and only Him. I worship Christ every single day, including His birth, not just on one particular chosen day. Don't you? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawb Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, OneLight said: No it was not. I was calling you out for being hypocritical. Now, if someone was worshiping a false god on December 25th, what you are pointing out would be true, YET, until you know the heart in every person you say this to, you are judging falsely, pretending to be a god, as in being an omniscience deity, one of the attributes given to God and only Him. I worship Christ every single day, including His birth, not just on one particular chosen day. Don't you? Just using my computer as stated in Daniel 12:4 - “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Pagan rites=Pagan Worship The Bible time and time again speaks against using pagan worship to worship YeHoVah and Yeshua. How do you worship Yeshua on his birthday. Do you know the date? Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. Love all of you and I am praying for the scales to be removed from all of your eyes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your closest friendnt Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 18 Topic Count: 7 Topics Per Day: 0.00 Content Count: 7,885 Content Per Day: 2.41 Reputation: 2,774 Days Won: 3 Joined: 06/05/2015 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 3 hours ago, Bawb said: Just using my computer as stated in Daniel 12:4 - “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Pagan rites=Pagan Worship The Bible time and time again speaks against using pagan worship to worship YeHoVah and Yeshua. How do you worship Yeshua on his birthday. Do you know the date? Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. Love all of you and I am praying for the scales to be removed from all of your eyes... This was only for the Israelites and not for the rest of the world. The Lord God gave them their own religious Calendar and they had to live by it year after year. And they could not worship God without the Priesthood and the Temple. No one was allowed on the Holy place only the Priests and the sinner with his sacrifice and not without it and he had to kill the animal himself Not a woman ever set her foot in the Holy Place. And their Lord God the enforcer of the Covenant, the eye against the eye. Principle.. What does that have to do with Jesus Christ who died for the forgiveness of our sins and he cannot punish us anymore because he was punished for our sins and he has the stripes to prove it. And he has given us of his Spirit and he has given us the Heaven for our Inheritance . What is that that attract you to go back to what the disciples left behind. Do you think that the disciples were following the Old Covenant when they were far away without knowing what is the date and where is Jerusalem because their God was only in the Temple in Jerusalem. And how they Kept the Sabbath with the time table of Jerusalem time or the time Table of the host country. The believing Samaritans started to worship God in the Spirit and the truth as believers of Jesus Christ. This calls for worshiping God the Father and not the Lord God of the Sinai Covenant They did not have the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ Heavenly Inheritance. Abraham has welcome Jesus Christ two thousand years ago and he is with Jesus Christ in Heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Bawb said: Just using my computer as stated in Daniel 12:4 - “But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.” Pagan rites=Pagan Worship The Bible time and time again speaks against using pagan worship to worship YeHoVah and Yeshua. How do you worship Yeshua on his birthday. Do you know the date? Deuteronomy 4:2 Do not add to what I command you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you. Love all of you and I am praying for the scales to be removed from all of your eyes... The church does not worship tree or false God on Christmas, how many Times have i told you ? The church use Christmas as a chance to tell the world that Jesus the Son of God has been born and Salvation has come. The scene of nativity and decorated tree made only to attract people to this message, be smart like serpent man. Dont follow the Amish. Edited December 20, 2021 by R. Hartono 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 10 hours ago, Bawb said: You can find true Holy Days in the Bible. Those are the ones I do my best to celebrate, as those are Scriptural. Passover occurs on the evening of the 14th day of the first month (called Nisan or Abib) of the calculated Hebrew calendar (Ex. 12:2, 6). While it is not a holy day, Passover ushers in the spring festival season. The first high day is on the 15th, the first day of the festival of Unleavened Bread, which runs a full week. The last day of Unleavened Bread, the 21st, is also a holy day. In the OT, Passover was celebrated as an annual memorial of God sparing Israel’s firstborn and delivering the nation from bondage in Egypt (Ex. 12). Israel’s slavery was a physical forerunner pointing to mankind’s spiritual slavery to sin. In the NT, we see the fulfillment of this “type” as Jesus is sacrificed as the ultimate Passover Lamb (I Cor. 5:7). Just as the Passover lamb in the OT symbolized God’s deliverance from certain death, Christ, through His sacrifice, has delivered those called into “spiritual Israel”—the Church—from eternal death. It is evident that Jesus, Who was God manifested in the flesh, instituted the New Covenant Passover—the Christian Passover—on the night of the 14th day of the first month. When Jesus instituted the new ceremony of the Christian Passover, He did not change the day or the frequency of observance. The new ceremony consists of the foot washing, the eating of unleavened bread and the drinking of wine. Passover reveals the love of God in the giving of His only begotten Son to redeem mankind, bringing remission of sin through His blood (John 3:16-17). Through His sacrifice, the New Covenant has been ushered in, promising eternal life. For those under the New Covenant, the Christian Passover is a time of renewal and rededication of one’s covenant relationship with God the Father and Jesus Christ. Historically, the Seven Days of Unleavened Bread pointed to the time when God led Israel out of the land of Egypt (Ex. 12:17; 34:18). Spiritually, this festival refers to God leading the saints out of sin as they strive to become “unleavened”—free of sin (I Cor. 5:7-8). Christians are unleavened in Christ, overcoming sin (leaven) by the power of the Holy Spirit. Walking in newness of life, Christians strive to keep the commandments of God (Rom. 6:4; 7:8). God gave Israel the Ten Commandments at Sinai on the day of Pentecost (Ex. 20). It was also the beginning of God’s Old Covenant “marriage” relationship with Israel (Ex. 19:3-8; 24:8). Anciently, Pentecost was known as the Festival of “Firstfruits”—celebrating the beginning of the barley/wheat harvest (Ex. 23:16; 34:22). As a physical type, this pointed to the spiritual harvest of mankind by God—the firstfruits of which are the Church (James 1:18; Rev. 14:4). Under the New Covenant, God’s law is being written in the hearts of Christians through the power of the Holy Spirit (Rom. 5:5; Heb. 8:10; 10:16). Thus, it was fitting that on Pentecost, 30 AD, the Holy Spirit was given (Acts 2), beginning the Church age—made up of those who would become the firstfruits of God’s Kingdom through the first resurrection. Pentecost—meaning “count fifty”—is counted from the wave sheaf offering, which occurs during Unleavened Bread (Lev. 23:15-16). As the 50th day following seven complete weeks (49 days), Pentecost always falls on the first day of the week. The fall festival season begins with the Feast of Trumpets, which falls on the first day of the seventh month (Lev. 23:24). In the OT, Trumpets pictured a time of war (Zeph. 1:15-16), and thus points to the coming “Day of the Lord”—a time of great calamity and warfare leading to the glorious return of Christ as He triumphs over Satan and the armies of men. On the 10th day of the seventh month is the Day of Atonement (Lev. 23:27). Anciently, Israel’s high priest figuratively atoned for the sins of the people on this day with animal sacrifices—particularly with a special sin offering, a sacrificed goat (Lev. 16). Moreover, the blame for such sins was symbolically placed on the head of a living goat, which was then released into a “wilderness captivity.” The living goat pictures Satan the devil, the source of all sin, being removed from power and bound at Christ’s return (Rev. 20:1-3); the sacrificed goat pictures Christ crucified. While Christ’s sacrifice was typified by the slain Passover lamb, His sacrifice is yet to be applied to all the world through the symbolic sin offering of the day of Atonement. Beginning on the 15th day of the seventh month—as the sixth holy day of the year—is the Feast of Tabernacles, or Feast of Ingathering (Ex. 23:16; 34:22; Lev. 23:34). This seven-day festival pictures the period know as the Millennium—the 1000-year reign of Christ and the saints (Rev. 20:4-6). Only the first day is a high day. The name “Tabernacles” reflects back on Israel’s wandering in the wilderness and points to the temporary nature of this life as saints look forward to the age to come; the designation “Ingathering” points to the fact that the Millennium will be a time when all mankind will be brought to salvation. Uniquely attached to the end of the Feast of Tabernacles is an eighth day—the Last Great Day—the final, seventh high day in God’s plan (Lev. 23:36, 39). While related to Tabernacles, this special day functions as a separate high day. It pointed anciently to the bounty of God’s blessings on Israel. Spiritually, it portrays the “great day” when all who have died without an opportunity for salvation will be raised to a second, physical life in the “second resurrection” and offered eternal life (John 7:37). As an “eighth day” it pictures a new beginning—the time of the new heaven and earth, the new Jerusalem, and the beginning of eternity in the presence of God the Father. The festival days were given to the desert Hebrew, not to gentiles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegaman 3.0 Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Graduated to Heaven Followers: 57 Topic Count: 1,546 Topics Per Day: 0.21 Content Count: 10,320 Content Per Day: 1.41 Reputation: 12,323 Days Won: 9 Joined: 04/15/2004 Status: Offline Birthday: 11/05/1951 Share Posted December 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said: And how they Kept the Sabbath with the time table of Jerusalem time or the time Table of the host country. Imagine the Sabbath at the north poll, where on June 21st (and other days around that time of year) the sun is up for 24 hours! 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bawb Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Non-Conformist Theology Followers: 2 Topic Count: 40 Topics Per Day: 0.04 Content Count: 627 Content Per Day: 0.68 Reputation: 333 Days Won: 1 Joined: 10/31/2021 Status: Offline Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 15 hours ago, R. Hartono said: The festival days were given to the desert Hebrew, not to gentiles We are grafted into Israel... Show me where it is prohibited for "Gentiles" to observe the feasts. Especially those who sojourn with the Israelites... Also, they are YHWH's festivals... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Hartono Posted December 20, 2021 Group: Royal Member Followers: 0 Topic Count: 775 Topics Per Day: 0.34 Content Count: 6,953 Content Per Day: 3.05 Reputation: 1,985 Days Won: 1 Joined: 02/15/2018 Status: Offline Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) On 12/21/2021 at 6:12 AM, Bawb said: We are grafted into Israel... Show me where it is prohibited for "Gentiles" to observe the feasts. Especially those who sojourn with the Israelites... Also, they are YHWH's festivals... grafted into the olive tree means the church is spiritual Israel only. Dont follow the red neck Amish. Edited December 24, 2021 by R. Hartono Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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