Genesis Msg 1, God, Creation, Pre History and Origins

[angels4u]

 

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There are too many errors in his teaching to give him much credence.

[angels4u]

15 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

There are too many errors in his teaching to give him much credence.

Can you name them?

Do you have a favorite speaker to explain the book of Genesis?

[Guest]

31 minutes ago, angels4u said:

Can you name them?

Yes I can.  I have numerous threads on the subject of origins active and locked by the moderators working at WCF and other forums.  And this was not for cause necessarily because these subjects typically become personal.  I have been warned twice for some of the comments I made on this forum which I understood to be quite innocent by forum standards.  I cannot condense 40 years of Gap Theory study into a few sentences.  My threads on the Gap Theory and the age of the Earth and Universe go back several years.  If you can provide a written transcript of what the minister spoke I would be glad to go over it once again.  It's quite long, over an hour and he doesn't appear to understand the Gap Theory. 

He never goes into detail.  To me, he dismisses OEC out of hand.  That's okay, but don't put the rest of us down because this is not a salvation issue.  God made me what I am because He physically saved my life when I gave up the life he gave me after I accepted death.  He brought me to Silver Dollar City to hear a gunsmith give his testimony and froze me in place, 20 feet away until I heard his near death experience.  I asked for a KJV Dake shortly after and started attending church with my wife.  I've been a born-again, fully immersed baptized Christian since then.

Please get me a transcript I can work from.  Thanks.

SObG

Edited December 29, 2021 by Saved.One.by.Grace

[angels4u]

52 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Yes I can.  I have numerous threads on the subject of origins active and locked by the moderators working at WCF and other forums.  And this was not for cause necessarily because these subjects typically become personal.  I have been warned twice for some of the comments I made on this forum which I understood to be quite innocent by forum standards.  I cannot condense 40 years of Gap Theory study into a few sentences.  My threads on the Gap Theory and the age of the Earth and Universe go back several years.  If you can provide a written transcript of what the minister spoke I would be glad to go over it once again.  It's quite long, over an hour and he doesn't appear to understand the Gap Theory. 

He never goes into detail.  To me, he dismisses OEC out of hand.  That's okay, but don't put the rest of us down because this is not a salvation issue.  God made me what I am because He physically saved my life when I gave up the life he gave me after I accepted death.  He brought me to Silver Dollar City to hear a gunsmith give his testimony and froze me in place, 20 feet away until I heard his near death experience.  I asked for a KJV Dake shortly after and started attending church with my wife.  I've been a born-again, fully immersed baptized Christian since then.

Please get me a transcript I can work from.  Thanks.

SObG

Hi Saved,

I remember you posted on the gap theory but don't remember what you posted,this minister I posted  is not my minster,it's from a respected minister online ,I posted it not so much for the gap theory but to learn more from Genesis.

I love to hear your side of the story ,are you posts still online and why were some removed?

To who do you listen online about these topics?

 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, angels4u said:

Hi Saved,

I remember you posted on the gap theory but don't remember what you posted,this minister I posted  is not my minster, it's from a respected minister online, I posted it not so much for the gap theory but to learn more from Genesis.

I love to hear your side of the story, are you posts still online and why were some removed?

My posts are all online with none being removed as far as I know.  I have found @DeighAnn posts most enlightening and encouraging.  There are more I'm not mentioning here.  Others who take a more mathematical or logical approach like @Tristen, who I've had more disagreements with, but done so in a genuine respectful way.  And then there are still others who use science, like @one.opinion, who I may disagree with, but I always feel like I can learn something, like many others here at WCF.

14 hours ago, angels4u said:

To who do you listen online about these topics?

I don't listen to podcasts with the exception of C. J. Lovik on YouTube and that's regarding Hermeneutics.  Dr. Michael S. Heiser has many podcasts that I've not explored yet.

Books I've read:

The Gap Is Not a Theory by Jack Langford

In the Beginnings by Steven E. Dill

The Gap Fact - Michael Pearl

Without Form and Void - Arthur Custance

Earth's Earliest Ages - G. H. Pember

Another Time...Another Place - Finis Jennings Dake (and his commentary on the KJV Bible)

The Bible, Genesis & Geology: Rightly-Dividing Geology and Genesis - Gaines R. Johnson and Marti Rieske

I have a number of books by Dr. Michael S. Heiser, Dr. Stephen C. Meyer (Theistic Evolutionist) and others I my future reading list, if the Lord tarries.  I know there's one more book I particularly wanted to include because it was the first time I read about an alternate view of Noah's Flood.

Commentaries:

Unger's Bible Commentary on the OT (2 Volumes) Paper Only

Bible Knowledge Commentary (2 Volumes)

Believer's Bible Commentary

Expositor's Bible Commentary

Jamieson-Faucett-Brown Bible Commentary

Wycliffe Bible Commentary and others (Electronic Only).

and many, many more

Websites:

http://jesus-is-savior.com/Evolution Hoax/gap_theorists_defended.htm

http://www.learnthebible.org/evidence-for-the-gap-theory-from-the-creation-story.html

https://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html

https://www.kjvbible.org/

https://biblicalscienceinstitute.com/uncategorized/the-gap-theory/

https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/8165/showrashi/true/jewish/Chapter-1.htm

and many more that are linked in my posts

[one.opinion]

11 minutes ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Dr. Stephen C. Meyer (Theistic Evolutionist)

I doubt he would appreciate that label. He is firmly planted in the intelligent design camp. As such, the theistic evolutionists are generally considered mortal enemies.

Hey, thank you for the kind words earlier, by the way!

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1 hour ago, one.opinion said:

I doubt he would appreciate that label. He is firmly planted in the intelligent design camp. As such, the theistic evolutionists are generally considered mortal enemies.

Hey, thank you for the kind words earlier, by the way!

Thanks for the correction.  Why do we all have to have labels?  I didn't realize ID and TE were that much at odds with one another.  But I guess I should have known with all the Dr. Hugh Ross (ID) books I've read. 

The book I missed from the list above is A Biblical Case for an Old Earth by Dr. David Snoke.  That's when I really started to seriously consider Noah's Flood as a large local flood. 

[DeighAnn]

4 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

That's when I really started to seriously consider Noah's Flood as a large local flood. 

Hi Saved

When we understand the flooding that originally rendered the earth null and void, Noahs flood is set free to be about what it was about, the bloodline and it is no longer forced to explain things it didn't have anything to do with like the craters, evidence of the continents being one land mass, the ice age the destruction of dinosaurs, the lack of 'human' skeletons etc.  (I think La Brea tar pits had a bigger effect on me than I thought and I paid better attention in school than my grades showed)

There is so much about this earth that screams out 'I am millions of years old' with a history RICH in physical events, events that couldn't fit into a couple thousand years.  It all goes back to God saying I am not the author of confusion.  Why would works that are brand new need to be 'pondered' on to help us understand God and his infinite ness?  Common Sense, where has it gone?  Sometimes the worse enemies of Gods words are those who claim to know them best.  

Faith doesn't come about by being told you have to believe the ridiculous, but that is just my opinion.  

d

 

 

[one.opinion]

6 hours ago, Saved.One.by.Grace said:

Thanks for the correction.  Why do we all have to have labels? 

I completely agree. I have a hard enough time labeling myself, I certainly don’t see the benefit of having others labeling me!