Russia Preparing for War.

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, Don19 said:

I'm not saying our governments in the west don't lie, too, but Russia lies by leaps and bounds more than any western governments, and the lies are often completely and totally fabricated.

I could debate you on this one 

[other one]

1 hour ago, Don19 said:

I'm not saying our governments in the west don't lie, too, but Russia lies by leaps and bounds more than any western governments, and the lies are often completely and totally fabricated.

After the last three years, I don't think I could agree with that.

[other one]

1 hour ago, Don19 said:

A false flag operation conducted by Russia to justify aggression against Ukraine remains highly probable.

Don't put one past Ukraine either to try and get help from the rest of  the world including us..  Since our deep state has wanted a war with Russia, it wouldn't take much to push it. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt places on earth, and we can thank Obama/Biden and Hillary as Secretary of State for that.

[Don19]

4 minutes ago, other one said:

Don't put one past Ukraine either to try and get help from the rest of  the world including us..  Since our deep state has wanted a war with Russia, it wouldn't take much to push it. Ukraine is one of the most corrupt places on earth, and we can thank Obama/Biden and Hillary as Secretary of State for that.

We've already completely ruled out the possibility of assisting Ukraine with American boots on the ground. Ukraine has nothing to gain from something like this. If an attack like this occurs soon, mark my words, it's a false flag from Russia to justify invasion. A lot of the corruption in Ukraine is tied to Russia. Russia is basically a mafia state. Russia is one of the most corrupt places in the world. Putin is one of the richest men in the world, and he's rich because of corruption. But Ukrainians want to be closer to the west, where corruption isn't tolerated, like it is in Russia.

[other one]

Just now, Don19 said:

We've already completely ruled out the possibility of assisting Ukraine with American boots on the ground. Ukraine has nothing to gain from something like this. If an attack like this occurs soon, mark my words, it's a false flag from Russia to justify invasion. A lot of the corruption in Ukraine is tied to Russia. Russia is basically a mafia state. Russia is one of the most corrupt places in the world. Putin is one of the richest men in the world, and he's rich because of corruption. But Ukrainians want to be closer to the west, where corruption isn't tolerated, like it is in Russia.

You do realize that Obama/Biden and Hillary as Secretary of State sent Victoria Nuland and several CIA agents to Ukraine in 2014 to foment and guide the overthrow of their government there and installed the people we wanted into power...   and that's where the connections between Ukraine and Biden came from.

Never count out the misuse of our military.  It's happened almost consistently since the end of WWII.

 

[other one]

We threatened Russia with Nuclear war when they moved into Cuba, so what makes you think it's not ok for Putin and Russia to do the same to us.  Putin is just so far asking for assurances that NATO will not move into Ukraine.   He has as much right to do so as we did/do about the Monroe Doctrine.

And remember we're not dealing with people like Iraq or Afghanistan, Russia could literally destroy this country very easily.

[Don19]

6 minutes ago, other one said:

You do realize that Obama/Biden and Hillary as Secretary of State sent Victoria Nuland and several CIA agents to Ukraine in 2014 to foment and guide the overthrow of their government there and installed the people we wanted into power...   and that's where the connections between Ukraine and Biden came from.

Never count out the misuse of our military.  It's happened almost consistently since the end of WWII.

 

I've heard this over and over from Russian propaganda for years! There's no truth to it. The Ukrainian people rose up, and Yanukovych fled to Russia. In any case, even if it happened that way (it didn't), Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, and has controlled the so-called separatists in the Donbas region ever since. It's a war in which well over 10,000 people have died. It's not a civil war in Ukraine, and never has been, but a hybrid Russian invasion.

Edited February 18, 2022 by Don19

[other one]

25 minutes ago, Don19 said:

I've heard this over and over from Russian propaganda for years! There's no truth to it. The Ukrainian people rose up, and Yanukovych fled to Russia. In any case, even if it happened that way (it didn't), Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014, and has controlled the so-called separatists in the Donbas region ever since. It's a war in which well over 10,000 people have died. It's not a civil war in Ukraine, and never has been, but a hybrid Russian invasion.

I really disagree with you.  I can't tell you  why I do but I do disagree with you.

Russia moved into Ukraine after the new government we installed notified him that they would not let him keep the warm water port at Sevastopol.  It was common knowledge that they had already made plans to move much of the NATO fleet to that port.  It is Russia's only warm water port.   Once again it was the USA that created the problem that forced Russia's hand to protect itself.  Just like we did/do in the Americas.

A couple of people I am acquainted with who visit Crimea tell me that most of the people there are of Russian decent and speak Russian.   They took a vote to move to Russia that the UN would not sanction, but most of the people there are closer to Russia than they are Ukraine.       Disagree with me as you will, but what I am writing is factual.

Remember that the people in power here today are the people who set this up and will lie to you more than anyone.    I think the past three or four years should tell you and anyone else interested that I am right.

[other one]

Look throughout history at the times Russia has been invaded and understand their reluctance to trust anyone in the West...

And remember that if we do get into a hot war with Russia, Putin has openly told us he would bring the destruction to the US this time and we would not escape war in the homeland as we have in the past.  

[Don19]

22 minutes ago, other one said:

I really disagree with you.  I can't tell you  why I do but I do disagree with you.

Russia moved into Ukraine after the new government we installed notified him that they would not let him keep the warm water port at Sevastopol.  It was common knowledge that they had already made plans to move much of the NATO fleet to that port.  It is Russia's only warm water port.   Once again it was the USA that created the problem that forced Russia's hand to protect itself.  Just like we did/do in the Americas.

A couple of people I am acquainted with who visit Crimea tell me that most of the people there are of Russian decent and speak Russian.   They took a vote to move to Russia that the UN would not sanction, but most of the people there are closer to Russia than they are Ukraine.       Disagree with me as you will, but what I am writing is factual.

Remember that the people in power here today are the people who set this up and will lie to you more than anyone.    I think the past three or four years should tell you and anyone else interested that I am right.

Russia had a lease to the port at Sevastopol until 2042. Legally, they were entitled to it, until at least 2042. It is no justification for war to speculate on what the new Ukrainian government might have done to break the lease. Because, the fact is, Russia has waged war on Ukraine in the Donbas since 2014. Now, I actually agree with you as it concerns Crimea. It is indisputably Russian both in terms of ethnicity and language.  I am not arguing about Crimea, really, but Donbas and the rest of Ukraine. Because the fact is the rest of Ukraine (including the Donetsk and Luhansk oblasts) are majority Ukrainian, ethnically. And Russia had waged a proxy war there that has killed more than 10,000 people since 2014.

Edited February 18, 2022 by Don19