Revelation Chapter 13 -

[Massorite]

Revelation 13:1.Then I stood on the sand of the sea. And I saw a beast rising up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his horns ten crowns, and on his heads a blasphemous name.

I've always interpreted this 7 heads, meaning 7 continents, 10 leaders, united under one. I don't see the horns as future kings rising up in a sequence, because this beast stands as one, I view this as a new world order. United under one

2 Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority.

I find it really interesting that the same beasts in Danial 7 are mentioned. I think there is significance not only to that but also to the locations on the body. feet of a bear and a mouth like a lion.I'm not sure about the feet, but I believe Mouth to me means "head" If we look into Danial 7:4 where it talks about the wings of an eagle.

7:4 The first was like a lion, and had eagle

[Joshua-777]

You have interpreted 13:1 like you have because you have not researched what you are reading. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the word "heads" is not talking about continents it is talking about the heads of men IE Heads of State. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the "horns" are talking about the horns of animals and in the bible the horn always represents authority, strength, and courage or power. In the temple there was a piece that had four horns on it. It was a box about four feet tall with four horns on it. Read Exodus 38:1& 2 it was the alter of burnt offerings.

It sounds to me like you have been listening to someone rather doing your own research. Not a very good practice.

In strongs and Thayer's dictionary Heads means Heads, literal or figurative. Not heads of state, also it's important to keep in mind that back when this prophecy was written heads of state wouldn't make sense given the time period.

G2776

[Massorite]

You have interpreted 13:1 like you have because you have not researched what you are reading. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the word "heads" is not talking about continents it is talking about the heads of men IE Heads of State. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the "horns" are talking about the horns of animals and in the bible the horn always represents authority, strength, and courage or power. In the temple there was a piece that had four horns on it. It was a box about four feet tall with four horns on it. Read Exodus 38:1& 2 it was the alter of burnt offerings.

It sounds to me like you have been listening to someone rather doing your own research. Not a very good practice.

In strongs and Thayer's dictionary Heads means Heads, literal or figurative. Not heads of state, also it's important to keep in mind that back when this prophecy was written heads of state wouldn't make sense given the time period.

G2776

[Bold Believer]

Nero is the person in question here. His name adds up to 666 in gematria. He died of a head wound. Since Nero personified the Roman Empire, to many of the time, the fate of the Empire itself rested on his shoulders. Who would be emperor? Would the Empire survive? The potential successors and their armies lined up and the survival of the Empire was in grave doubt. So Nero and the Empire itself are intermingled here. When a stable order was restored, the Empire came back to 'life'. Seeing how the Empire nearly collapsed, this was a miracle, but in order to fulfill Daniel 7's prophecy that the Kingdom of God would destroy the beast (the great earth-filling mountain crushing the ten toes), Rome needed to survive a little while longer.

Just before his demise, Nero persecuted the Church for 3.5 years and overcame them (physically). Believers were subjected to numerous indignities before they were killed. Crucified and set afire to light Nero's perverted garden parties, sent to the mines where they were worked to death, sent to the arena where they were fed to wild beasts, etc.

For all that though, Nero is not "the antichrist." The same man who wrote Revelation also wrote I,II and III John. The two terms (Beast and Antichrist) are NOT interchangeable, for they do not refer to the same thing.

Antichrist is the spirit behind the false teaching known as Gnosticism. Gnosticism believed that Jesus did not come in the flesh, because the flesh was evil and God would not subject Himself to taking on the likeness of sinful flesh. John roundly condemns this teaching, states that this Antichrist spirit is what the Church had heard was coming, and refers to those to teach this lie as 'antichrists'.

Enmeshing antichrist with eschatology is like gravy and ice cream. You can do it, but it makes no sense because the two aren't meant to be together.

[Joshua-777]

You have interpreted 13:1 like you have because you have not researched what you are reading. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the word "heads" is not talking about continents it is talking about the heads of men IE Heads of State. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the "horns" are talking about the horns of animals and in the bible the horn always represents authority, strength, and courage or power. In the temple there was a piece that had four horns on it. It was a box about four feet tall with four horns on it. Read Exodus 38:1& 2 it was the alter of burnt offerings.

It sounds to me like you have been listening to someone rather doing your own research. Not a very good practice.

In strongs and Thayer's dictionary Heads means Heads, literal or figurative. Not heads of state, also it's important to keep in mind that back when this prophecy was written heads of state wouldn't make sense given the time period.

G2776

[Massorite]

You have interpreted 13:1 like you have because you have not researched what you are reading. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the word "heads" is not talking about continents it is talking about the heads of men IE Heads of State. In both the Strong's and the Thayer's the "horns" are talking about the horns of animals and in the bible the horn always represents authority, strength, and courage or power. In the temple there was a piece that had four horns on it. It was a box about four feet tall with four horns on it. Read Exodus 38:1& 2 it was the alter of burnt offerings.

It sounds to me like you have been listening to someone rather doing your own research. Not a very good practice.

In Strong's and Thayer's dictionary Heads means Heads, literal or figurative. Not heads of state, also it's important to keep in mind that back when this prophecy was written heads of state wouldn't make sense given the time period.

G2776

[Joshua-777]

I have found that many Christians who have a flawed interpretation of any number of scriptures will in many cases refuse to admit they are wrong even after they have been shown scripture. By your own words you said " Heads' is literal or figurative, same with horns, meaning literal heads. figurative means symbolization." So literally speaking we are talking about a creator with one body which has seven heads, figuratively speaking. So if the word "heads" is speaking literally or figuratively, where did you get the idea that the seven heads of a single body are "continents"? Where is the scriptural proof that the seven heads are seven separate continents? You are speaking of the seven heads as if they represent real continents. But you are saying that they are figurative and not real.

But the Thayer's says that those heads can (metaphorically speaking) represent anything supreme such as a chief or a prominent person, master or lord. As in Jesus is the head of the church or the husband is the head over the wife or the heads of animals. So where did you get continents out of the word heads in that verse? The scripture is talking about one body/nation with seven heads. Doesn't the head house the brain and dosen,t the brain control the body? Which means that we have one body that is controled by seven heads. Right? So if the heads represent seven continents is the world the body?

So lets look at where this dragon comes from. It comes from the SEA not the land. Metaphorically speaking this beast is a puppet of Satan which means that the beast is something of a spiritual nature which is given power and authority by satan/the dragon. There isn't a whole lot about what this sea is but there are some that say that metaphorically speaking the sea is speaking of the sea of humanity. So again we are not talking about any land masses we are talking about mankind. The most common belief is that the beast represents the EU and I am inclined to agree although there is no actual scriptural proof. Only assumptions and that is where your interpretation fits in. It is simply an assumption with no scriptural backup. In other word "Your interpretaion is flawed because there is no scripture to back up your assertion. Even in the scriptures you quoted from Daniel there is no mention about seven heads, ten horns or continants. And the Roman empire was ONE NATION/BODY that was controled by many rulers by men all over the empire including Rome which had a senate with senators who represanted different sections of the empire. The Ceasers were not the altimate power in Rome it was the many HEADS OF STATE.

Massorite, the only scripture you have provided for horns does not fit what you are trying to say,

Exodus 38

Making the Altar of Burnt Offering

1 He made the altar of burnt offering of acacia wood; five cubits was its length and five cubits its width

[Massorite]

I have found that many Christians who have a flawed interpretation of any number of scriptures will in many cases refuse to admit they are wrong even after they have been shown scripture. By your own words you said " Heads' is literal or figurative, same with horns, meaning literal heads. figurative means symbolization." So literally speaking we are talking about a creator with one body which has seven heads, figuratively speaking. So if the word "heads" is speaking literally or figuratively, where did you get the idea that the seven heads of a single body are "continents"? Where is the scriptural proof that the seven heads are seven separate continents? You are speaking of the seven heads as if they represent real continents. But you are saying that they are figurative and not real.

But the Thayer's says that those heads can (metaphorically speaking) represent anything supreme such as a chief or a prominent person, master or lord. As in Jesus is the head of the church or the husband is the head over the wife or the heads of animals. So where did you get continents out of the word heads in that verse? The scripture is talking about one body/nation with seven heads. Doesn't the head house the brain and dosen,t the brain control the body? Which means that we have one body that is controled by seven heads. Right? So if the heads represent seven continents is the world the body?

So lets look at where this dragon comes from. It comes from the SEA not the land. Metaphorically speaking this beast is a puppet of Satan which means that the beast is something of a spiritual nature which is given power and authority by satan/the dragon. There isn't a whole lot about what this sea is but there are some that say that metaphorically speaking the sea is speaking of the sea of humanity. So again we are not talking about any land masses we are talking about mankind. The most common belief is that the beast represents the EU and I am inclined to agree although there is no actual scriptural proof. Only assumptions and that is where your interpretation fits in. It is simply an assumption with no scriptural backup. In other word "Your interpretaion is flawed because there is no scripture to back up your assertion. Even in the scriptures you quoted from Daniel there is no mention about seven heads, ten horns or continants. And the Roman empire was ONE NATION/BODY that was controled by many rulers by men all over the empire including Rome which had a senate with senators who represanted different sections of the empire. The Ceasers were not the altimate power in Rome it was the many HEADS OF STATE.

Massorite, the only scripture you have provided for horns does not fit what you are trying to say,

Exodus 38

Making the Altar of Burnt Offering

1 He made the altar of burnt offering of acacia wood; five cubits was its length and five cubits its width

[Bold Believer]

The Fourth Beast-nation is Rome. This is historically obvious. It follows Greece in historical pre-eminence. Rome was then destroyed by the Kingdom of God, just as Daniel said it would be, although (again as Daniel said it would) it lasted a little longer (as the ten toes). The Kingdom of God is never defeated. It is challenged (see Revelation 20) but never defeated.

Christians today continually search for something that isn't IN the prophecy (some fictional "Antichrist" dictator). The only dictator ever mentioned is Nero, and he is killed. Daniel calls him the little horn. He did all of the things Daniel said he would, he spoke great and blasphemous things against God, he warred against the saints of the Most High and (temporarily) prevailed.

So then why does John call Nero the Beast? Because Nero is the personification of the Fourth Beast at the height of its power, just as Pharoah Ramses was with Egypt, Nebuchadnezzar was with Babylon, Darius the Mede was with Media Persia and Alexander was with Greece. These men were in power at the height of their nation's history. While there were other kings (Caesars) after Nero, none of them held the sway Nero did, because after his death, Rome slowly declined in power (according to the prophecy of Daniel) and Christianity slowly came to pre-eminence.

To claim that Rome will be revived is to say that Daniel is wrong. Daniel NEVER (nor does anywhere else in Scripture) states that the Fourth Beast is ever revived. The fact that Rome recovers after the death of Nero (after nearly collapsing in civil war) is not the same as a revival 2000+ years later. The great mountain crushed the Fourth Beast and history and Scripture agree.

[Joshua-777]

OK as you wish.

Revelation 17:9-14

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