Hell

[missmuffet]

Just now, Starise said:

Do you believe gotquestions.org is ever wrong @missmuffet?

I personally don't think they are right about everything.

Got questions is a good reliable on-line Chrisitan minstry. I have gone to them a long time. If that were not the case I would not post then on Worthy.  The only thing I don't agree with them is Calvinism. 

[missmuffet]

Just now, Hobie_ said:

You are listing to a man, but ignoring what Gods Word teaches. We have to set aside preconceived notions, and false ideas and teachings that crept into the church and have set aside Gods Word and His truth.

God's truth is what is most imporant. Not what humans post. With good Christian discernment we can tell what is the truth that is being posted and what is not the truth. 

[Hobie_]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

You believe in annihilation which is not biblical.

Annihilationism is the belief that unbelievers will not experience an eternity of suffering in hell, but will instead be “extinguished” after death. For many, annihilationism is an attractive belief because of the awfulness of the idea of people spending eternity in hell. While there are some passages that seem to argue for annihilationism, a comprehensive look at what the Bible says about the destiny of the wicked reveals the fact that punishment in hell is eternal. A belief in annihilationism results from a misunderstanding of one or more of the following doctrines: 1) the consequences of sin, 2) the justice of God, 3) the nature of hell.

In relation to the nature of hell, annihilationists misunderstand the meaning of the lake of fire. Obviously, if a human being were cast into a lake of burning lava, he/she would be almost instantly consumed. However, the lake of fire is both a physical and spiritual realm. It is not simply a human body being cast into the lake of fire; it is a human’s body, soul, and spirit. A spiritual nature cannot be consumed by physical fire. It seems that the unsaved are resurrected with a body prepared for eternity just as the saved are (Revelation 20:13; Acts 24:15). These bodies are prepared for an eternal fate.

Eternity is another aspect which annihilationists fail to fully comprehend. Annihilationists are correct that the Greek word aionion, which is usually translated “eternal,” does not by definition mean “eternal.” It specifically refers to an “age” or “eon,” a specific period of time. However, it is clear that in the New Testament, aionion is sometimes used to refer to an eternal length of time. Revelation 20:10 speaks of Satan, the beast, and the false prophet being cast into the lake of fire and being tormented “day and night forever and ever.” It is clear that these three are not “extinguished” by being cast into the lake of fire. Why would the fate of the unsaved be any different (Revelation 20:14-15)? The most convincing evidence for the eternality of hell is Matthew 25:46, “Then they [the unsaved] will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.” In this verse, the same Greek word is used to refer to the destiny of the wicked and the righteous. If the wicked are only tormented for an “age,” then the righteous will only experience life in heaven for an “age.” If believers will be in heaven forever, unbelievers will be in hell forever.

Another frequent objection to the eternality of hell by annihilationists is that it would be unjust for God to punish unbelievers in hell for eternity for a finite amount of sin. How could it be fair for God to take a person who lived a sinful, 70-year life, and punish him/her for all of eternity? The answer is that our sin bears an eternal consequence because it is committed against an eternal God. When King David committed the sins of adultery and murder he stated, “Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight” (Psalm 51:4). David had sinned against Bathsheba and Uriah; how could David claim to have only sinned against God? David understood that all sin is ultimately against God. God is an eternal and infinite Being. As a result, all sin against Him is worthy of an eternal punishment. It is not a matter of the length of time we sin, but the character of the God against whom we sin.

A more personal aspect of annihilationism is the idea that we could not possibly be happy in heaven if we knew that some of our loved ones were suffering an eternity of torment in hell. However, when we arrive in heaven, we will not have anything to complain about or be saddened by. Revelation 21:4 tells us, “He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.” If some of our loved ones are not in heaven, we will be in 100 percent complete agreement that they do not belong there and that they are condemned by their own refusal to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior (John 3:16; 14:6). It is hard to understand this, but we will not be saddened by the lack of their presence. Our focus should not be on how we can enjoy heaven without all of our loved ones there, but on how we can point our loved ones to faith in Christ so that they will be there.

Hell is perhaps a primary reason why God sent Jesus Christ to pay the penalty for our sins. Being “extinguished” after death is no fate to dread, but an eternity in hell most definitely is. Jesus’ death was an infinite death, paying our infinite sin debt so that we would not have to pay it in hell for eternity (2 Corinthians 5:21). When we place our faith in Him, we are saved, forgiven, cleansed, and promised an eternal home in heaven. But if we reject God’s gift of eternal life, we will face the eternal consequences of that decision.

https://www.gotquestions.org/annihilationism.html

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Look at your Bible, not some site or preacher who are holding Greek philosophy rather than Gods Word. You got to let go of false ideas and doctrines from pagan philosophers and see what scripture shows us.

[Starise]

5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Got questions is a good reliable on-line Chrisitan minstry. I have gone to them a long time. If that were not the case I would not post then on Worthy.  The only thing I don't agree with them is Calvinism. 

I don't doubt they are good. I'm just not sure they are always right. They seem to be ok about most things. 

[Hobie_]

4 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

God's truth is what is most imporant. Not what humans post. With good Christian discernment we can tell what is the truth that is being posted and what is not the truth. 

Then look at your Bible and see what it says...the wicked are consumed, they perish, they will burn in the lake of fire, its all there..

[Hobie_]

8 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Got questions is a good reliable on-line Chrisitan minstry. I have gone to them a long time. If that were not the case I would not post then on Worthy.  The only thing I don't agree with them is Calvinism. 

So as you yourself admit, they are wrong on some issues. Why not trust in Gods Word rather than some site, which as you say is wrong on some things..

[missmuffet]

21 minutes ago, Hobie_ said:

So as you yourself admit, they are wrong on some issues. Why not trust in Gods Word rather than some site, which as you say is wrong on some things..

That sight does post God's true Word. Many on Worthy has God's Word wrong. I don't want to see a fellow brother or sister in Christ stumble and fall. I said that I do not agree with God questions on 1 issue.

[missmuffet]

26 minutes ago, Hobie_ said:

Then look at your Bible and see what it says...the wicked are consumed, they perish, they will burn in the lake of fire, its all there..

So you are saying they will be destroyed. 

[missmuffet]

27 minutes ago, Starise said:

I don't doubt they are good. I'm just not sure they are always right. They seem to be ok about most things. 

That is your choice. Our world is full of them. 

[missmuffet]

29 minutes ago, Hobie_ said:

Look at your Bible, not some site or preacher who are holding Greek philosophy rather than Gods Word. You got to let go of false ideas and doctrines from pagan philosophers and see what scripture shows us.

I do look at my Bible and so does God questions. Most people on Worthy do not like got questions because they do not agree with their false doctrine.