Lord: Rise Now and Judge the World

[seeking the lost]

2 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The scripture clearly teaches that all will be tested by the Lords last day judgement by fire, yes the human body will be burned up and die, however it will be in the twinkling of an eye

The wicked will be caught in this fire for eternity, the lake of fire

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

The changed in the twinkling of an eye has nothing to do with works being tested by fire.

[Keras]

7 hours ago, angels4u said:

Are you saying that born again believers who believe in the rapture are false teachers?

 

Remember that we who teach others, will be judged more severely. James 3:1

Please define 'rapture' - is it to heaven, or just a shift of location to where the Lord is on earth? 

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, seeking the lost said:

The changed in the twinkling of an eye has nothing to do with works being tested by fire.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[transmogrified]

19 hours ago, Keras said:

What is very apparent in all the Prophesies, is that there is no group going to heaven.

Hello Keras...

    Just wanted to get your take on Rev. 19:1-

"And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; salvation, and glory, and honor, and power unto the Lord our God..."

This a prophecy by John of a future event and he heard a great voice of much people in heaven...

How do you think they got there?

Thank you- Gary

[truth7t7]

56 minutes ago, Keras said:

Remember that we who teach others, will be judged more severely. James 3:1

Please define 'rapture' - is it to heaven, or just a shift of location to where the Lord is on earth? 

Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

[truth7t7]

16 minutes ago, transmogrified said:

Hello Keras...

    Just wanted to get your take on Rev. 19:1-

"And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; salvation, and glory, and honor, and power unto the Lord our God..."

This a prophecy by John of a future event and he heard a great voice of much people in heaven...

How do you think they got there?

Thank you- Gary

Revelation 6:9-11KJV

9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

[Keras]

5 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Hello Keras...

    Just wanted to get your take on Rev. 19:1-

"And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; salvation, and glory, and honor, and power unto the Lord our God..."

This a prophecy by John of a future event and he heard a great voice of much people in heaven...

How do you think they got there?

Thank you- Gary

They are the souls of the martyrs, who God allows to cry out at times.  As we are told in Revelation 6:8-11.

Thank you, Truth 7t7, your post above confirms it. 

Commonsense and logic, as well as scriptural proof should all be considered before believing a doctrine. 

The example of the Trinity is one doctrine of contention. But we see in Genesis 1:26, that God refers to Himself in the plural.  Jesus said: I and the Father are one....

But the 'rapture to heaven' doctrine fails in many ways. It is never stated in the Bible and we are told we must endure till the end. Matthew 24:13, Rev 13:10               I look forward to the great Blessings that God Promises to His faithful people, before and after Jesus Returns. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by Keras

[transmogrified]

20 minutes ago, Keras said:

They are the souls of the martyrs, who God allows to cry out at times.  As we are told in Revelation 6:8-11.

Hello again- 

The setting in Rev. 19 is just before Jesus descends down from heaven with his saints to the earth to fight at Armageddon...as it says in Jude 14...Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment upon all...'

The saints came down from heaven with Jesus to the earth...so how do you think they got there?

 

[Keras]

9 hours ago, transmogrified said:

Hello again- 

The setting in Rev. 19 is just before Jesus descends down from heaven with his saints to the earth to fight at Armageddon...as it says in Jude 14...Behold the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints to execute judgment upon all...'

The saints came down from heaven with Jesus to the earth...so how do you think they got there?

 

We have several scriptures which describe the Return of Jesus; the two clearest ones are Matthew 16:27 and Revelation 19:11-14. They both clearly state the Jesus will be accompanied by the armies of heaven; an angel army. 

The word used in Jude 1:14, is 'hagios', which can mean either saints or angels.  Thinking that 'hagios' in that context means human saints;  creates a Biblical anomaly. A contradiction, resolved by using the majority texts of its meaning heavenly angels AND the fact of there being no scripture that says any human will go to live in heaven, to be there at the Return. 

[transmogrified]

21 hours ago, Keras said:

The word used in Jude 1:14, is 'hagios', which can mean either saints or angels.

So if it can mean either saints or angels...what is the main thing that would prevent you from thinking it could mean saints?