What is the 'New Covenant'?

[Selah7]

Just now, Charlie744 said:

 

Oh, I forgot… you didn’t address ANY of my questions… that’s not good… give me your thoughts on them ✍️, Charlie 

Charlie, I did answer when I explained that the NC in Jeremiah 31 is a new different covenant.  It takes place in the millennium.  In the millennium, there is no more flesh; it’s a whole new age!

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

It’s the LORD talking here:

Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.  Jeremiah 31:31-34 (KJV)

Yes, of course it is but now YOU tell me how or why this is not interpreted to apply to Jesus and / or why you are pushing this out another 2,000 years?  
In addition to the previous questions I asked you to consider or address please tell me why Jesus did NOT fulfill this prophecy at His first coming? 
Charlie

[Charlie744]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Charlie, I did answer when I explained that the NC in Jeremiah 31 is a new different covenant.  It takes place in the millennium.  In the millennium, there is no more flesh; it’s a whole new age!

That doesn’t tell me anything! What did Jesus fulfill at His coming? Did He establish a NC? 

[Selah7]

Just now, Charlie744 said:

Yes, of course it is but now YOU tell me how or why this is not interpreted to apply to Jesus and / or why you are pushing this out another 2,000 years?  
In addition to the previous questions I asked you to consider or address please tell me why Jesus did NOT fulfill this prophecy at His first coming? 
Charlie

Charlie, WHO do you think gives us a new heart and will do all those wonderful things for us—brings tears to my eyes when I read these wonderful promises.  It’s Jesus!

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

D, thank you for writing this response... Unfortunately, I am still confused - but that should not be a revelation to anyone within this forum. I do not seem to be able (yet) to understand the Jeremiah issue or if there is one.... I am seeing what apparently others may be understanding easily. 

Am I to understand that the Jeremiah prophecy is NOT fulfilled by Jesus and applies to the House of Israel, Judah and the Gentiles at His first coming? If so, does that mean the Jeremiah prophecy is still YET to happen? If so, what prophecy did Jesus fulfill if not Jeremiah 31:31-33?

Thanks and I appreciate anyone's willingness to clear this up for me... DeighAnn, if my questions / concerns are clear to you please offer your thoughts, Charlie

I am saying that there seems to be a lot of it that has not and doesn't seem possible that much of it has.  I would love to hear the parts you see as being fulfilled.  I do know we have received the Holy Spirit and the laws are written on our hearts (at least I feel this to be truth) but I don't see a prophesy fulfilled until I see it all.  I think there are others that cover it.  We know for SURE A NEW COVENANT was brought forth and we know for sure what Jesus proclaimed but...

[Charlie744]

27 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

Charlie, WHO do you think gives us a new heart and will do all those wonderful things for us—brings tears to my eyes when I read these wonderful promises.  It’s Jesus!

I agree with you! But the issue is not who will do this but when He will do this.

 I would respectfully ask you to read Jeremiah and Hebrews and Ezekiel as they speak to this specific topic. They clearly identify who this NC is meant for and directed to- the list House of Israel and Judah. God wants to bring them back from their idolatry - God had already divorced Israel. He did not divorce Judah but they needed a change of heart since they did NOT fully embrace His commandments. After the Cross there is NO Hew or Greek or House of Israel or Judah IN THAT SAME SENSE OR MEANING BEFORE THE CROSS. 
Let me know why you believe Jesus did NOT bring in the NC at His first coming. Charlie 

[Charlie744]

12 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I am saying that there seems to be a lot of it that has not and doesn't seem possible that much of it has.  I would love to hear the parts you see as being fulfilled.  I do know we have received the Holy Spirit and the laws are written on our hearts (at least I feel this to be truth) but I don't see a prophesy fulfilled until I see it all.  I think there are others that cover it.  We know for SURE A NEW COVENANT was brought forth and we know for sure what Jesus proclaimed but...

Thank you for your thought!!!! As you know, I am NOT well versed in the Scriptures but I try and learn the best I am able. Please bring up a question that relates the this topic and all of us can focus on… all too often there are too many ‘shotguns’ being fired and we can never focus on one issue… Charlie 

[DeighAnn]

38 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

There are two parts to a covenant and God had initiated all of them where He ALWAYS fulfilled His end or requirements within each of those agreements. At NO time did anyone of those covenants have a correction or change on His side of the agreement. Since Adam it has always been faith and obedience in Him. In each covenant we (man) have ALWAYS failed to honor our side. The last and final Covenant identified through Jeremiah 31:31-33 tells us He will once again make a New Covenant with Israel where He will put His LAWS in our hearts. Notice this NC ONLY effects ONE side of Moses Covenant- the LAW side DOES NOT CHANGE ONE BIT. God will ONLY change where He will write those commandments. 
The reason it is a ‘better covenant’ and does away with the ‘old’ is NOT to do away with the Commandments but to give us His Holy Spirit that will give us the DESIRE AND WANT not to sin. The LAWS are already perfect but our ability to keep them are flawed. He will write them in our hearts and give us the ‘want’ to obey Him. 
 

By the way, Jesus did ‘fulfill’ the LAW because ‘fulfill’ means to ‘perfect’ it, not do away with it. 
 

Let me know what you think, Charlie 

The laws or the 10 commandments never go away.  If that is the law you mean then we agree and are saying the same thing.  If you believe the law given Moses stayed the same then we disagree

because I don't have understanding on how these could be perfected (I am not going to list all 613 of them but this is what I don't believe He 'fulfilled' or perfected

134 Exodus 23:11 - On ownerless produce of the Sabbatical year (shemittah) .
But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.
135 Leviticus 25:4 - On resting the land on the Sabbatical year.
But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
136 Leviticus 25:10 - On sanctifying the Jubilee (50th) year.
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
137 Leviticus 25:9 - Blow Shofar on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) in the Jubilee and slaves freed.
Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
138 Leviticus 25:25 - Reversion of the land to ancestral owners in Jubilee year.
If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.
139 Leviticus 25:24 - On the redemption of a house within a year of the sale.
And in all the land of your possession ye shall grant a redemption for the land.
140 Leviticus 25:8 - Counting and announcing the years till the Jubilee year.
And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
141 Deuteronomy 15:3 - All debts are annulled in the Sabbatical year, but...
Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;
142 Deuteronomy 15:3 - ...one may exact a debt owed by a foreigner.
Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;
 

FESTIVALS

153 Exodus 12:2 - Sanhedrin to sanctify New Moon, and reckon years and seasons.
This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
154 Exodus 23:12 - On resting on the Shabbat.
Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
155 Exodus 20:8 - On declaring Shabbat holy at its onset and termination.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
156 Exodus 12:15 - On removal of chametz (leaven), on (Nisan 14th) Pesach (Passover).
Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
157 Exodus 13:8 - Tell of Exodus from Egypt 1st night Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
158 Exodus12:18 - On eating Matzah the first night of Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
159 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the first day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
160 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the seventh day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
161 Leviticus 23:15 - Count the Omer (Counting) 49 days from day of first sheaf, Nisan 16.
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
162 Leviticus 23:21 - On resting on Shavuot (Pentecost).
And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
163 Leviticus 23:24 - On resting on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year).
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
164 Leviticus 16:29 - On fasting on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
165 Leviticus 16:29 - On resting on Yom Kippur.
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
166 Leviticus 23:35 - On resting on the first day of Sukkot.
On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
167 Leviticus 23:36 - On resting on (the 8th day) Shemini Atzeret.
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
168 Leviticus 23:42 - On dwelling in a Sukkah (Booths) for seven days.
Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
169 Leviticus 23:40 - On taking a Lulav (the four species) on Sukkot.
And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
170 Numbers 29:1 - On hearing the sound of the Shofar on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year).
And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.

SLAVES
232 Exodus 21:2 - On the special laws for treating the Hebrew bondman.
If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
233 Exodus 21:8, 9 - Hebrew bondmaid married to her master or his son, or...
If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
234 Exodus 21:9 - ...allow the redemption to the Hebrew bondmaid.
And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
235 Leviticus 25:46 - On the laws for treating an alien bondman.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

[DeighAnn]

21 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

I agree with you! But the issue is not who will do this but when He will do this.

 I would respectfully ask you to read Jeremiah and Hebrews and Ezekiel as they speak to this specific topic. They clearly identify who this NC is meant for and directed to- the list House of Israel and Judah. God wants to bring them back from their idolatry - God had already divorced Israel. He did not divorce Judah but they needed a change of heart since they did NOT fully embrace His commandments. After the Cross there is NO Hew or Greek or House of Israel or Judah IN THAT SAME SENSE OR MEANING BEFORE THE CROSS. 
Let me know why you believe Jesus did NOT bring in the NC at His first coming. Charlie 

Maybe better said, I believe a NC came into being but I don't believe that it has been fulfilled and wont be until the return of Christ when the two sticks are brought back together.  (unless you count the US as having done that)




 

[Charlie744]

27 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

The laws or the 10 commandments never go away.  If that is the law you mean then we agree and are saying the same thing.  If you believe the law given Moses stayed the same then we disagree

because I don't have understanding on how these could be perfected (I am not going to list all 613 of them but this is what I don't believe He 'fulfilled' or perfected

134 Exodus 23:11 - On ownerless produce of the Sabbatical year (shemittah) .
But the seventh year thou shalt let it rest and lie still; that the poor of thy people may eat: and what they leave the beasts of the field shall eat. In like manner thou shalt deal with thy vineyard, and with thy oliveyard.
135 Leviticus 25:4 - On resting the land on the Sabbatical year.
But in the seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest unto the land, a sabbath for the LORD: thou shalt neither sow thy field, nor prune thy vineyard.
136 Leviticus 25:10 - On sanctifying the Jubilee (50th) year.
And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
137 Leviticus 25:9 - Blow Shofar on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement) in the Jubilee and slaves freed.
Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
138 Leviticus 25:25 - Reversion of the land to ancestral owners in Jubilee year.
If thy brother be waxen poor, and hath sold away some of his possession, and if any of his kin come to redeem it, then shall he redeem that which his brother sold.
139 Leviticus 25:24 - On the redemption of a house within a year of the sale.
And in all the land of your possession ye shall grant a redemption for the land.
140 Leviticus 25:8 - Counting and announcing the years till the Jubilee year.
And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
141 Deuteronomy 15:3 - All debts are annulled in the Sabbatical year, but...
Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;
142 Deuteronomy 15:3 - ...one may exact a debt owed by a foreigner.
Of a foreigner thou mayest exact it again: but that which is thine with thy brother thine hand shall release;
 

FESTIVALS

153 Exodus 12:2 - Sanhedrin to sanctify New Moon, and reckon years and seasons.
This month shall be unto you the beginning of months: it shall be the first month of the year to you.
154 Exodus 23:12 - On resting on the Shabbat.
Six days thou shalt do thy work, and on the seventh day thou shalt rest: that thine ox and thine ass may rest, and the son of thy handmaid, and the stranger, may be refreshed.
155 Exodus 20:8 - On declaring Shabbat holy at its onset and termination.
Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
156 Exodus 12:15 - On removal of chametz (leaven), on (Nisan 14th) Pesach (Passover).
Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.
157 Exodus 13:8 - Tell of Exodus from Egypt 1st night Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
And thou shalt shew thy son in that day, saying, This is done because of that which the LORD did unto me when I came forth out of Egypt.
158 Exodus12:18 - On eating Matzah the first night of Pesach (Passover), (Nisan 15th).
In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even.
159 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the first day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
160 Exodus 12:16 - On resting on the seventh day of Pesach (Passover).
And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.
161 Leviticus 23:15 - Count the Omer (Counting) 49 days from day of first sheaf, Nisan 16.
And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
162 Leviticus 23:21 - On resting on Shavuot (Pentecost).
And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you: ye shall do no servile work therein: it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
163 Leviticus 23:24 - On resting on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year).
Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, In the seventh month, in the first day of the month, shall ye have a sabbath, a memorial of blowing of trumpets, an holy convocation.
164 Leviticus 16:29 - On fasting on Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement).
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
165 Leviticus 16:29 - On resting on Yom Kippur.
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you:
166 Leviticus 23:35 - On resting on the first day of Sukkot.
On the first day shall be an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
167 Leviticus 23:36 - On resting on (the 8th day) Shemini Atzeret.
Seven days ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: on the eighth day shall be an holy convocation unto you; and ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD: it is a solemn assembly; and ye shall do no servile work therein.
168 Leviticus 23:42 - On dwelling in a Sukkah (Booths) for seven days.
Ye shall dwell in booths seven days; all that are Israelites born shall dwell in booths:
169 Leviticus 23:40 - On taking a Lulav (the four species) on Sukkot.
And ye shall take you on the first day the boughs of goodly trees, branches of palm trees, and the boughs of thick trees, and willows of the brook; and ye shall rejoice before the LORD your God seven days.
170 Numbers 29:1 - On hearing the sound of the Shofar on Rosh HaShannah (Head of Year).
And in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, ye shall have an holy convocation; ye shall do no servile work: it is a day of blowing the trumpets unto you.

SLAVES
232 Exodus 21:2 - On the special laws for treating the Hebrew bondman.
If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing.
233 Exodus 21:8, 9 - Hebrew bondmaid married to her master or his son, or...
If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her. And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
234 Exodus 21:9 - ...allow the redemption to the Hebrew bondmaid.
And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
235 Leviticus 25:46 - On the laws for treating an alien bondman.
And ye shall take them as an inheritance for your children after you, to inherit them for a possession; they shall be your bondmen for ever: but over your brethren the children of Israel, ye shall not rule one over another with rigour.

Thanks D! I am referring to the 10 given to Moses on Mt. Sinai… the ceremonial laws were done away with by Jesus- they all pointed to Him. Charlie