Ezekiel Chapter 39 Is This A Future Or Historical Battle?

[truth7t7]

The battle in Ezekiel 39 was fought around the time of King Nebuchadnezzar and the Babylonian Captivity, "Historical" long ago

The scripture below clearly teaches Israel went into "Captivity" and the Lord will bring again the "Captivity" of Jacob, Israel will return from the Babylonian Captivity, simple, clear, and before your eyes

Wooden Weapons + Babylonian Captivity = "Historical Battle"

Ezekiel 39:9 & 23-25KJV

9 And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:

23 And the heathen shall know that the house of Israel went into captivity for their iniquity: because they trespassed against me, therefore hid I my face from them, and gave them into the hand of their enemies: so fell they all by the sword.

24 According to their uncleanness and according to their transgressions have I done unto them, and hid my face from them.

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

Jeremiah 46:26-27KJV

26 And I will deliver them into the hand of those that seek their lives, and into the hand of Nebuchadrezzar king of Babylon, and into the hand of his servants: and afterward it shall be inhabited, as in the days of old, saith the Lord.

27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.

Edited February 6, 2022 by truth7t7

[missmuffet]

Future.

[truth7t7]

5 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Future.

So wooden weapons, or the Babylonian Captivity isnt seen in your opinion?

Edited February 6, 2022 by truth7t7

[missmuffet]

20 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

So wooden weapons, or the Babylonian Captivity isnt seen in your opinion?

The Bible tells me it is future. Simple as that. 

[Diaste]

Clearly future. The entire prophecy and it's fulfillment has to hinge on ALL of the prophecy, not a section of verse. 

Just because we don't understand how it could happen doesn't mean it won't happen just as spoken.

These other things must also occur along with burning the weapons of war. [burning the weapons cannot happen unless the army is destroyed].

"Eze 39

• On the mountains of Israel you will fall—.
• I will give you as food to every kind of ravenous bird and wild beast. 
• 5You will fall in the open field, 
• 6I will send fire on Magog and on those who dwell securely in the coastlands,
• . 7So I will make My holy name known among My people Israel and will no longer allow it to be profaned.
• Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. 
• 9Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out, kindle fires, and burn up the weapons
• For seven years they will use them for fuel.
•  10They will not gather wood from the countryside or cut it from the forests, for they will use the weapons for fuel.
• They will loot those who looted them and plunder those who plundered them, declares the Lord GOD.

[this cannot be Nebuchadnezzar as his armies were not defeated by Israel. Then before the weapons are burned a fire is sent on Magog and all the coastlands. Did that occur?]

• 11And on that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, the Valley of the Travelers, east of the Sea.b 
• It will block those who travel through, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there.  
• 12For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 
• 13All the people of the land will bury them, and it will bring them renown on the day I display My glory,d declares the Lord GOD.

"And here the army is named and it isn't Babylon or Nebuchadnezzar. It's Gog of Magog. And all of this is set to occur when the army is destroyed so... when did the Babylonians fall on the mountains and get their weapon burned for 7 years and buried in valley no one is allowed to cross?

And why do you keep pointing out Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar when Ezekiel says it's Gog of Magog?

The Jeremiah 46 quote in it's entirety:

"

25The LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: “Behold, I am about to punish Amon god of Thebes,d along with Pharaoh, Egypt with her gods and kings, and those who trust in Pharaoh. 26I will deliver them into the hands of those who seek their lives—of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and his officers. But after this, Egypt will be inhabited as in days of old, declares the LORD.

27But you, O Jacob My servant, do not be afraid,

and do not be dismayed, O Israel.

For I will surely save you out of a distant place,

your descendants from the land of their captivity!

Jacob will return to quiet and ease,

with no one to make him afraid.

28And you, My servant Jacob, do not be afraid,

declares the LORD, for I am with you.

Though I will completely destroy all the nations to which I have banished you,

I will not completely destroy you.

Yet I will discipline you justly,

and will by no means leave you unpunished.”

This is a punishment on Egypt, not Israel. Eze 39 talks about Israel. Is this just an oversight? 

[truth7t7]

27 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The Bible tells me it is future. Simple as that. 

Pure opinion and speculation without scriptural argument

In Love,Jesus Is The Lord

[missmuffet]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

Pure opinion and speculation without scriptural argument

In Love,Jesus Is The Lord

You would take no other view unless you are preterist 

[truth7t7]

2 minutes ago, Diaste said:

Clearly future. The entire prophecy and it's fulfillment has to hinge on ALL of the prophecy, not a section of verse. 

Just because we don't understand how it could happen doesn't mean it won't happen just as spoken.

These other things must also occur along with burning the weapons of war. [burning the weapons cannot happen unless the army is destroyed].

"Eze 39

• On the mountains of Israel you will fall—.
• I will give you as food to every kind of ravenous bird and wild beast. 
• 5You will fall in the open field, 
• 6I will send fire on Magog and on those who dwell securely in the coastlands,
• . 7So I will make My holy name known among My people Israel and will no longer allow it to be profaned.
• Then the nations will know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel. 
• 9Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out, kindle fires, and burn up the weapons
• For seven years they will use them for fuel.
•  10They will not gather wood from the countryside or cut it from the forests, for they will use the weapons for fuel.
• They will loot those who looted them and plunder those who plundered them, declares the Lord GOD.

[this cannot be Nebuchadnezzar as his armies were not defeated by Israel. Then before the weapons are burned a fire is sent on Magog and all the coastlands. Did that occur?]

• 11And on that day I will give Gog a burial place in Israel, the Valley of the Travelers, east of the Sea.b 
• It will block those who travel through, because Gog and all his hordes will be buried there.  
• 12For seven months the house of Israel will be burying them in order to cleanse the land. 
• 13All the people of the land will bury them, and it will bring them renown on the day I display My glory,d declares the Lord GOD.

"And here the army is named and it isn't Babylon or Nebuchadnezzar. It's Gog of Magog. And all of this is set to occur when the army is destroyed so... when did the Babylonians fall on the mountains and get their weapon burned for 7 years and buried in valley no one is allowed to cross?

And why do you keep pointing out Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar when Ezekiel says it's Gog of Magog?

The Jeremiah 46 quote in it's entirety:

"

25The LORD of Hosts, the God of Israel, says: “Behold, I am about to punish Amon god of Thebes,d along with Pharaoh, Egypt with her gods and kings, and those who trust in Pharaoh. 26I will deliver them into the hands of those who seek their lives—of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon and his officers. But after this, Egypt will be inhabited as in days of old, declares the LORD.

27But you, O Jacob My servant, do not be afraid,

and do not be dismayed, O Israel.

For I will surely save you out of a distant place,

your descendants from the land of their captivity!

Jacob will return to quiet and ease,

with no one to make him afraid.

28And you, My servant Jacob, do not be afraid,

declares the LORD, for I am with you.

Though I will completely destroy all the nations to which I have banished you,

I will not completely destroy you.

Yet I will discipline you justly,

and will by no means leave you unpunished.”

This is a punishment on Egypt, not Israel. Eze 39 talks about Israel. Is this just an oversight? 

The Captivity of Jacob in Babylon takes place "Once" as seen both in Ezekiel 39:25 & Jeremiah 46:27 below, Israel has returned from this Captivity "Once" in 536BC, it's a "Historical" event fulfilled not future

Both describe the same exact event, in Israel returning from the "Historical" Babylonian Captivity

We Strongly Disagree

Ezekile 39:25KJV

25 Therefore thus saith the Lord God; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name;

Jeremiah 46:27KJV

27 But fear not thou, O my servant Jacob, and be not dismayed, O Israel: for, behold, I will save thee from afar off, and thy seed from the land of their captivity; and Jacob shall return, and be in rest and at ease, and none shall make him afraid.

[truth7t7]

7 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

You would take no other view unless you are preterist 

Preterism is a teaching in major error in my opinion, the events of Matthew chapter 24 are future "Unfulfilled"

[Alive]

2 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

Preterism is a teaching in major error in my opinion, the events of Matthew chapter 24 are future "Unfulfilled"

Do you believe that Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead?