Jerusalem is Falling #2

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Ok, so you want a general estimation/guess on my part as to how soon the battle of Armageddon and the fall of Jerusalem will take place?

10 years, 5 years, 2 years, or less, possibly only months.

The reality of the situation is, in my personal opinion, that if the USA abandons Israel, there will be no reason for Iran not to attack.

It seems that Biden will support Israel, but the next president may not.

If the USA falls into a white supremacist dictatorship, then ....... as one t-shirt said, 6 mill was not enough.

 

Keep talking, thinking, discussing.

Thank you for responding--I appreciate it.

What I find problamatic is looking at Putin, Russia, the Ukraine, etc. and building a case for any imminent anything related to one's view of end time events.

I see it as pure speculation. I have been hearing these things since the 70's.

IMO--its better to just couch current events in terms of--"hey this is interesting" and mayhaps it is connected to scriptural pronouncements. Constant wrong prognostications makes us look silly.

IMO

As I am want to say and repeat--so many are sure that the Lord has shown them a thing (end times) and yet different brethren differ widely in "what they have been shown".

Something in me grouses at this...my failing, I suppose.

:-)

[abcdef]

9 minutes ago, truth7t7 said:

I Disagree

The Beast of Revelation 13 dosen't represent Rome or the Pope over the centuries, he will be revealed to the future Church and world, and he will be give 42 future literal months in power, and be destroyed by the brightness of Jesus Christ at his return in the heavens

Pre-trib

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

The Rev is the story of Israel, faithful and unfaithful, answering the question of will Jerusalem be restored and what happens after that. 

 Rev 10-11, The seven sealed scroll says yes, Jerusalem will be restored, sweet news.

But it will fall again, bitter news. 

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Ezek 38-39 is history, as shown in a recent previous post.

In Rev 20 the Magog armies surround Jerusalem. In Ezek 38-39 they are destroyed before they reach Jerusalem.

The armies in Ezek fall on the mountains, the Rev 20 armies are on the breadth of the earth.

The similarities are seen, but the differences are often ignored. 

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A general brief explanation:

The revelation in chapters 1-3 is explaining the conditions of the 1st century church

Chapters 5-22 are prophetic events that will lead up to the Lords return in the end and the eternal kingdom explained in detail

Edited February 10, 2022 by truth7t7

[abcdef]

4 minutes ago, Alive said:

Thank you for responding--I appreciate it.

What I find problamatic is looking at Putin, Russia, the Ukraine, etc. and building a case for any imminent anything related to one's view of end time events.

In my opinion, there is nothing in the Bible about the Russian/ Ukraine conflict.

It is only relevant in that a war would tie up western forces and diminish them to the point that they would not or could not support the people of Israel.

Israel, half the size of the Netherlands, half the size of Belgium.  

 

4 minutes ago, Alive said:

I see it as pure speculation. I have been hearing these things since the 70's.

IMO--its better to just couch current events in terms of--"hey this is interesting" and mayhaps it is connected to scriptural pronouncements. Constant wrong prognostications makes us look silly.

IMO

As I am want to say and repeat--so many are sure that the Lord has shown them a thing (end times) and yet different brethren differ widely in "what they have been shown".

Something in me grouses at this...my failing, I suppose.

:-)

 

[truth7t7]

35 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Ok, so you want a general estimation/guess on my part as to how soon the battle of Armageddon and the fall of Jerusalem will take place?

10 years, 5 years, 2 years, or less, possibly only months.

The reality of the situation is, in my personal opinion, that if the USA abandons Israel, there will be no reason for Iran not to attack.

It seems that Biden will support Israel, but the next president may not.

If the USA falls into a white supremacist dictatorship, then ....... as one t-shirt said, 6 mill was not enough.

 

Keep talking, thinking, discussing.

I cant fully disagree, except with your sensational claim America and a white supremacy dictatorship, sounds like a CNN, MSNBC, written script

Yes Israel is surrounded by its enemies, with Biden or the democrats giving no care or concern

I believe it will be the "Temple Mount" under Muslim control that will light the match for World War III

Yes I believe this will develop into Armies surrounding Jerusalem, with the (Antichrist/The Beast) being revealed as the Messiah returned, the man of peace

How far in the future, only time can tell, when you see the "Temple Mount" being a center of world attention, and Israel is moving to take control?

The Man Of Sin being revealed will be right around the corner 

Edited February 10, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

24 minutes ago, abcdef said:

Rev 12, Who is the dragon that tries to kill Jesus at His birth?

Name the person. (Herod)

Who is the dragon that chases the woman into the wilderness after Jesus is caught up to heaven.? It is not one person, but a nation of people, the waters.

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Name the people of the dragon and their leader that has 7 heads and 10 horns.

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Name the nation that was present at the birth of Jesus and is still present at the 2nd resurrection of Rev 20.

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Abandon the pretrib time line and it's facets.

 

Satan gave Caesar and Rome power over Israel, the iron of the Dan. 2 statue that lasts from 63 BC until 1967.

I disagree, I have responded to these claims, it's now redundant 

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, abcdef said:

Pre-trib

I disagree, the revealing of the beast in Jerusalem starts the future 3.5 year tribulation, we have expressed our points, we disagree

The Beast Revelation 13, The Two Witnesses Revelation 11, are future literal events unfulfilled 

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by truth7t7

[truth7t7]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Thank you for responding--I appreciate it.

What I find problamatic is looking at Putin, Russia, the Ukraine, etc. and building a case for any imminent anything related to one's view of end time events.

I see it as pure speculation. I have been hearing these things since the 70's.

IMO--its better to just couch current events in terms of--"hey this is interesting" and mayhaps it is connected to scriptural pronouncements. Constant wrong prognostications makes us look silly.

IMO

As I am want to say and repeat--so many are sure that the Lord has shown them a thing (end times) and yet different brethren differ widely in "what they have been shown".

Something in me grouses at this...my failing, I suppose.

:-)

I cant fully disagree with your opinion, in claiming specific times and nations

However when the world sees a human man in Jerusalem proclaiming to be Messiah returned, and his side kick is calling fire down from heaven before the world, with directives to make an image of his boss, no more predictions are needed

Coupled with the (Two Witnesses) of Revelation 11 bringing plagues upon the earth, its game on!

Edited February 10, 2022 by truth7t7

[Hobie_]

9 hours ago, Hobie_ said:

Will have to wait till get back to the house...

Ok, you have to understand what the Bible means when it says that 'Babylon is fallen'. You look in history and you find that the pagan systems of worship after Noah, became prominent in the Mesopotamian region. And this is where Babyon rose up with its  stone idols and symbols of sun worship with statues with halos, various pagan crosses,  tridents,  globes as symbols of rulership of the universe, sacred hearts, and more... and of course, prayer beads for repetitive prayers even though the Bible admonishes:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Matthew 6:7

The Babylonian system of worship has essentially been maintained even is hidden as mystery's or ceremonies or otherwise to modern day as we see in the church of Rome. The ancient Chaldeans of Babylon worshipped  male and female gods representing the sun god and there were largely three aspects to this system of sun worship, representing the father, mother, and the son.

It spread from Babylon as the Priest fled when the Medes and Persians invaded, and they ended up in Pergamon or Pergamum (Greek: Πέργαμον), also referred to by its Greek form Pergamos . Thus you see the text in the Bible...

Revelation 2:12-13 King James Version

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Now the Greeks had picked up and adopt the Babylonian gods and the Greek Doura or Greek temple in Mesopotamia, freely allowed the gods of Babylon. The Greeks picked up the Babylonian system of worship and restored many of its pagan temples of worship, like Bel’s temple at Babylon.  The Babylonian gods took Greek names, as we see the Greek name of one their idols was Zeus Olympus, but it was clearly the old Babylonian sun-god. The foreign gods were basically Hellenized and spread throughout the Greek world. 

By the second century the Roman Empire annexed Mesopotamia to its rule, and the Babylonian system moved westward and into Rome, where we see it in the various rituals and ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church. Babylonian sun-worship and the mystery religions became the official religions of Rome, as we can see in the many temples to the Sol Invictus (the invincible Sun) . It has basically taken the Babylonian system of worship and hidden it under a cover of "Christianizing" paganism. So its not hard to see how the apostles called Rome "Babylon" even back then...

1 Peter 5:13

The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

[truth7t7]

16 hours ago, Hobie_ said:

Ok, you have to understand what the Bible means when it says that 'Babylon is fallen'. You look in history and you find that the pagan systems of worship after Noah, became prominent in the Mesopotamian region. And this is where Babyon rose up with its  stone idols and symbols of sun worship with statues with halos, various pagan crosses,  tridents,  globes as symbols of rulership of the universe, sacred hearts, and more... and of course, prayer beads for repetitive prayers even though the Bible admonishes:

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. Matthew 6:7

The Babylonian system of worship has essentially been maintained even is hidden as mystery's or ceremonies or otherwise to modern day as we see in the church of Rome. The ancient Chaldeans of Babylon worshipped  male and female gods representing the sun god and there were largely three aspects to this system of sun worship, representing the father, mother, and the son.

It spread from Babylon as the Priest fled when the Medes and Persians invaded, and they ended up in Pergamon or Pergamum (Greek: Πέργαμον), also referred to by its Greek form Pergamos . Thus you see the text in the Bible...

Revelation 2:12-13 King James Version

12 And to the angel of the church in Pergamos write; These things saith he which hath the sharp sword with two edges; 13 I know thy works, and where thou dwellest, even where Satan's seat is: and thou holdest fast my name, and hast not denied my faith, even in those days wherein Antipas was my faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwelleth.

Now the Greeks had picked up and adopt the Babylonian gods and the Greek Doura or Greek temple in Mesopotamia, freely allowed the gods of Babylon. The Greeks picked up the Babylonian system of worship and restored many of its pagan temples of worship, like Bel’s temple at Babylon.  The Babylonian gods took Greek names, as we see the Greek name of one their idols was Zeus Olympus, but it was clearly the old Babylonian sun-god. The foreign gods were basically Hellenized and spread throughout the Greek world. 

By the second century the Roman Empire annexed Mesopotamia to its rule, and the Babylonian system moved westward and into Rome, where we see it in the various rituals and ceremonies of the Roman Catholic Church. Babylonian sun-worship and the mystery religions became the official religions of Rome, as we can see in the many temples to the Sol Invictus (the invincible Sun) . It has basically taken the Babylonian system of worship and hidden it under a cover of "Christianizing" paganism. So its not hard to see how the apostles called Rome "Babylon" even back then...

1 Peter 5:13

The church that is at Babylon, elected together with you, saluteth you; and so doth Marcus my son.

I fully agree that Roman Catholicism is a false pagan religion, but it isnt the whore, mystery Babylon the great of Revelation chapters 17-18

Jerusalem is the whore, mystery babylon the great

She is guilty of the prophets blood, Rome didnt exist

She is the city that sits on seven mountains 

She is that "Great City" where Jesus was crucified

She will rule over the kings of the earth, when the future Antichrist takes his seat in Jerusalem

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

Edited February 11, 2022 by truth7t7