Male and female created He them.

[JohnR7]

On 3/16/2022 at 4:09 PM, WilliamL said:

And you trust the ever-changing theories of scientists about the age of the earth? They can't even agree among themselves from one generation to the next.

Remember, the Scriptures say that God created; scientists say that nature created, but by random chance. Who do you put your faith in?

 No one has perfect understanding. The Bible is perfect though. If you want to know the age of the Earth the best person for that would be Gerold Schoeder. You can find an artical with a google search named: "The age of the Universe". What I trust is what they teach us in fifth grade math to "check your results". We can look at the Hubble and the expanding universe. Then we can look at Geology and the layers of the earth and using that come up with a general idea of the age of the Earth and the Age of the Universe. If you want perfection then we need to look at the Hebrew Bible. You need an accurate translation and understanding of the Bible. 

My father was a doctor for 50 years. I use to argue random chance with him all the time. The Bible teaches us that God has a plan and a purpose. God declares the end from the beginning and He watches over His word to perform what He said He is going to do. For example Jesus said: "It is finished". That was long before I was born and He began to do a finished work in my life. 

My son is a computer engineer. He is very good at coming up with a formula that makes things very exact and saves a lot of time. We know the universe is expanding. There maybe some variation but for the most part we assume that the rate of expansion has been consistant. So we can use rather simple math to figure out when the universe started to expand. 

If you want to know more about astro physics I do recomment Schoeder and Neil Degrasse Tyson. Tyson is agnostic, as Science is agnostic. Schoeder was a professor at the University of Jerusalem. He has a PhD from MIT. Tyson has his degree from Harvard. 

[WilliamL]

On 4/5/2022 at 10:24 AM, JohnR7 said:

We can look at the Hubble and the expanding universe. Then we can look at Geology and the layers of the earth and using that come up with a general idea of the age of the Earth and the Age of the Universe. ... We know the universe is expanding. There maybe some variation but for the most part we assume that the rate of expansion has been consistant.

On the contrary, we do not know the things above that you say we do. Scientists just have theories about them; theories which cannot be proven.

Your words "we assume" are true: these things are based upon assumptions. Assumptions such as: the speed of light is a constant. However if, in fact, the speed of light has been diminishing on a hyperbolic curve since the Creation -- as some competent scientists have provided evidence for -- then the age of the universe is vastly shorter than what is commonly "assumed."

Likewise for the assumptions about the age of the earth: Creation scientists can easily poke all kind of holes in the current beliefs. Many easily-measured physical phenomena, such as the small amount of helium in the atmosphere, greatly contradict the old-earth theory. If in fact the earth's radioactive elements have indeed been decaying for 4 billion years, then our atmosphere should have vastly greater quantities of helium, a product of radioactive decay.

[JohnR7]

On 4/7/2022 at 2:38 PM, WilliamL said:

On the contrary, we do not know the things above that you say we do. Scientists just have theories about them; theories which cannot be proven.

Science does a good job of gathering the natural evidence for us to examine and study. God wants us to know what He has done and is doing. I am grateful for the work they have done and I agree with you that we owe them nothing. We do not have to agree with their interpretation or understanding of the evidence God gives us. 

There is some value to the scientific method. This has to do with subjective vs objective evidence. It is difficult to establish what we can objectively establish to be true. There are states that have fought this out in court and the people who represent religion have not done a very good job to convince the court of their convictions. 

"To the person who pleases him, God gives wisdom, knowledge and happiness, but to the sinner he gives the task of gathering and storing up wealth to hand it over to the one who pleases God. This too is meaningless, a chasing after the wind." Ecclesiastes 2:26

[JohnR7]

On 4/7/2022 at 2:38 PM, WilliamL said:

Likewise for the assumptions about the age of the earth: Creation scientists can easily poke all kind of holes in the current beliefs.

My son has a degree in computer engineering. He can develop a formula for a lot of my scientific theory.  Every letter in the Hebrew Alphabet has a numeric value. This is why Hebrew is self correcting. We see how exact and precise God is. 

We do not allow man to teach us the Bible. We allow the Holy Spirit of God to be our Guide. WE do not allow man to interpret the evidence we find in Science. We allow God to show us the way of truth. 

My father was a medical doctor for 50 years. You can deny science still a lot of people are alive today that would not be alive if it were not for doctors and science. Evan as incompetent as they are. God gives us the Bible and the natural evidence to study and examine. 

Edited April 10, 2022 by JohnR7

[JohnR7]

On 4/7/2022 at 2:38 PM, WilliamL said:

Your words "we assume" are true: these things are based upon assumptions. Assumptions such as: the speed of light is a constant.

Einstein said everything is relative. Time is a good example of this. The solar system system has a wobble because of changes in the way the planets effect each other at various times in their circuit around the sun. Still everything is consistent, accurate and true. Even if there is variation from our perspective. We do not blame science for relativity, when it is science that teaches us that time is relative. This is why a day is 24 hours, a day is also 1,000 years and a day can be a billion years. Because time is relative. This is why YEC & OEC are both accurate and true because it depends on your perspective. Time is relative. 

Every day I become more convinced that the average person can not function at the level of a fifth grader. It is good that we can still be a child and find favor with God. By the fifth grade we should know that in math they have what we call postulates. A postulate is an assumption. Even though math itself is very accurate and true. I did construction work for many years so I know how much we depend on math. Our dwelling is essential for our existence. There is a reason why Jesus was a carpenter. 

[missmuffet]

On 3/7/2022 at 6:39 AM, JohnR7 said:

Genesis 5:2 "Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created".

This verse actually has a A, B, C, & D. But I really want to deal with the part in the title: Male & Female.  The problem is, how do we do that. What does it mean that God made us male and female. The Rabbi say God divided us to join us back together again. If we look at: "In the day they were created". I wonder what day we are talking about here. That may help us to understand part A where we are told Male and Female He created them.

Hebrew is a VERY exact and VERY precise language. Just as the cosmos and the universe is very exact and precise. 

This is the issue. There was a girl across the street in her early 20's that was married to another girl. They had a Los Vegas marriage because one of the girls is from Australia and she needed a green card. Now they are seperated and she is claiming that she was abused so that she can continue to file for her American citizenship, even though she is no longer married. I am of the opinion that she was abused. Not as much for her "wife" as from her "mother in law". 

Now what does one have to do with the other. Again for the third time, we are talking about the title. God made them Male & Female and called them Adam. How can you have female and female. How can you have wife and wife when God made us male and female, husband and wife. He made us man and a women in Genesis chapter two. God made male and female in Genesis chapter ONE. If we study our HIGH School Biology book there was male and female going back to the very beginning of life. Back when we were sludge in a pond. 

I do not want to confuse people and a whole book can be written about this. Male and Female goes back 180 million years. This is based on sex that goes back 2 billion years. A day is a literal 24 hour day, also 1,000 years, but a day at least the first day was actually a billion years. Then day two was half a billion years. If you study astro physics on a PhD level. 

Again I am going to ask the question ONE more time: What does this mean in the TITLE: "Male and female created He them"? He created them, He blessed them, He called them Adam or man. In the day they were created which was 6,000 years ago, and 180 million years ago. Because this is a referance to the geneology of Adam and Eve IF you look at verse ONE: geneology. 

תּוֹלְדֹ֖ת tō-wl-ḏōṯ

God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. 

[debrakay]

I was never sludge in a pond.