The Logos (Word)

[Michael37]

6 hours ago, Marathoner said:

I understood what you were getting at, brother. 

As for the notion that truth is beyond man? The truth is a person, and He is the Son of the living God. The Lord Almighty is pleased to reveal Himself to us, even to men and women who see darkly and know only in part. We are the work of His hand after all. 

As for the scriptures being inadequate to explain the Son of God to us, are the same scriptures not God-breathed? They are indeed, and they are fit for our instruction and edification. The scriptures testify of Him.

Yes, logic dictates that:

• We can know the truth. 

Joh 8:31-32  Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples.  (32)  You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

• The Word of Truth can be rightly divided.

2Ti 2:15  Study to show thyself approved unto God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Quote from Albert Barnes' Commentary: The idea seems to be, that the minister of the gospel is to make a proper distribution of that word, adapting his instructions to the circumstances and wants of his hearers, and giving to each that which will be fitted to nourish the soul for heaven. 

Thanks for this thread, @Alive Both Logos and Logic are engrossing subjects.

False logic says, "If I can see you that means you are here, and if I close my eyes I can't see you so that means you aren't here."

[Alive]

For what reason did God create the universe?

Eternity is a long time.

What will things look like post “restoration of all things”?
 

The increase of His government will not end?

Isa. 9:7

[Marathoner]

6 hours ago, Alive said:

For what reason did God create the universe?

Eternity is a long time.

What will things look like post “restoration of all things”?
 

The increase of His government will not end?

Isa. 9:7

I think of the following passage from 1 Corinthians:

Yet we do speak wisdom among those who are mature; a wisdom, however, not of this age nor of the rulers of this age, who are passing away; but we speak God’s wisdom in a mystery, the hidden wisdom which God predestined before the ages to our glory; the wisdom which none of the rulers of this age has understood; for if they had understood it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory; but just as it is written:

“Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the human heart,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”
(1 Corinthians 2:6-9 NASB)

We can wonder and even imagine what those things might be. Like most of us, there are times when I meditate upon what awaits us all when the Lord makes all things new (that restoration), but then I confess that I don't have a clue. I remember that passage whenever I start imagining what it will be like to be with the Lord in fullness.  

[Marathoner]

So, there is a godly logic and wholesome way for man to reason. This is the mind of Christ; the renewing of our minds which, in my estimation, proceeds with every word from the mouth of God. 

There was a time when the Lord drew near and reasoned with us, so we witnessed the filthy rags of our own righteousness. 

Convicted of our rebellious transgressions, we cried out to Him to save us from ourselves and this world so we might submit ourselves to the righteous and perfect judgment of God. 

Christ washed us clean with His own precious blood so that we might be spared from the wrath to come, making us a new creation in Himself to the glory of our Father in heaven.

Then, by His Spirit dwelling with us and within us, He started teaching us how to reason. The scriptures are many things which is true of every gift of God: they testify of our Lord and Savior... they instruct us in righteousness... and as for myself, I am drawn to Ecclesiastes and the Proverbs the most of all because in those books, God furnishes us with examples of His wisdom. He teaches us how to think.  

Edited March 31, 2022 by Marathoner

[Dennis1209]

8 hours ago, Alive said:

For what reason did God create the universe?

Eternity is a long time.

What will things look like post “restoration of all things”?
 

The increase of His government will not end?

Isa. 9:7

Here is a mind and logic experiment along the same line, and not to sidetrack your thread.

The Lord is eternal and had no beginning, and I believe He has always been active in something forever. Below is probably as far back as the Bible goes.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The Lord is outside of time if we can fathom that. The past, present, and future are all one big picture the Lord sees. What was God active in before the creation? Logic and reasoning dictate it is useless even to ponder.

If there is a question line in heaven, I sympathize with those standing and waiting behind me. I have so many questions I would like to know, and it will take an extension of eternity to get them all answered.  😊

[Alive]

3 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Here is a mind and logic experiment along the same line, and not to sidetrack your thread.

The Lord is eternal and had no beginning, and I believe He has always been active in something forever. Below is probably as far back as the Bible goes.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The Lord is outside of time if we can fathom that. The past, present, and future are all one big picture the Lord sees. What was God active in before the creation? Logic and reasoning dictate it is useless even to ponder.

If there is a question line in heaven, I sympathize with those standing and waiting behind me. I have so many questions I would like to know, and it will take an extension of eternity to get them all answered.  😊

Yup….we think of time in terms of a linear progrssion defined by events occurring. I have always pictured the Lord standing outside of the paradigm.

I am convince that we, who are in Christ, will spend an eternity both working and learning. The universe is large and God is not wasteful. I believe that it will be filled and we will be very busy.

As you suggest, we have amazing God given imaginations, but we fall far short…for now.

[Dennis1209]

33 minutes ago, Alive said:

Yup….we think of time in terms of a linear progrssion defined by events occurring. I have always pictured the Lord standing outside of the paradigm.

I am convince that we, who are in Christ, will spend an eternity both working and learning. The universe is large and God is not wasteful. I believe that it will be filled and we will be very busy.

As you suggest, we have amazing God given imaginations, but we fall far short…for now.

Yes, sir, that is how I also understand it. The Lord's word (Logos) will stand forever, that says to me it will forever be studied. Angels are much more knowledgeable than we in the flesh, yet there are things they too desire to look into, they do not fully understand either. We will never become omniscient, and eternity will be a continual learning process that makes sense to me.

The way I view it, everything is going to revert back to the way it was in the Garden of Eden before the fall, the way the Lord created it and originally intended. God dwelled in Person on the earth in the Garden, and will again at His second coming. We will all have jobs, assignments, responsibilities, and leadership, I believe based on our faith and the fruit we produced in the flesh. 

That is exciting, our blessed hope and assurance, what we look forward to. 

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

Here is a mind and logic experiment along the same line, and not to sidetrack your thread.

The Lord is eternal and had no beginning, and I believe He has always been active in something forever. Below is probably as far back as the Bible goes.

Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The Lord is outside of time if we can fathom that. The past, present, and future are all one big picture the Lord sees. What was God active in before the creation? Logic and reasoning dictate it is useless even to ponder.

If there is a question line in heaven, I sympathize with those standing and waiting behind me. I have so many questions I would like to know, and it will take an extension of eternity to get them all answered.  😊

We may not know the day he was created because there were no men and no Calendars to keep the time..

The same we say about Melhisedec because we do not know the day he was born and his parents but that doesn't mean that he did no have one...

But to say he has no beginning it is the same as saying what? That he has never been. 

In the bible we read that the Lord had a beginning. 

Asked John who wrote the Gospel of John ch.1. 

 

[Dennis1209]

6 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We may not know the day he was created because there were no men and no Calendars to keep the time..

The same we say about Melhisedec because we do not know the day he was born and his parents but that doesn't mean that he did no have one...

But to say he has no beginning it is the same as saying what? That he has never been. 

In the bible we read that the Lord had a beginning. 

Asked John who wrote the Gospel of John ch.1. 

 

I may be misinterpreting what you are saying? Who is the "he" that you are citing?

[Ray12614]

Actually, before I retired last year, I was an programmer for 35 years. I understand logic constructs and many programming languages thoroughly so your thread grabbed my interest. Actually, there can be quite involved logic constructs involving combinations of  OR, AND, ELSEIF, and other nested logic operators that define resulting outcomes.

So . . . Many times (in my opinion), we see conditional statements in God's Word, and forget that they may well be part of an higher group of  logical conditions that have to be satisfied first before the lower condition can activate.  LOL.

So, God's Word does, without a shadow of doubt, contain logical statements conditions within it. If we look at the various covenants in scripture, we can easily see this. IF you keep the covenant conditions, THEN blessings will follow, ELSE you are out of the covenant and will reap the consequences.

Of course, God deals with the 'heart conditions' of mankind, and can at his will override logic conditions with His higher principals of Mercy and Grace. Also, don't forget Judgement is also a part of this process.

However, we can never equate or reduce our God to logic (I am not saying that your are doing that, just mentioning this here), because He possesses logic, wisdom, understanding, and so much greater than our tiny human minds can relate to.  

I am sure what I said above will be disagreed with . . . Interesting thread . . . 

Grace and Peace . . . Ray . . .