The Logos (Word)

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Dennis1209 said:

I may be misinterpreting what you are saying? Who is the "he" that you are citing?

Thank you for your question. 

I am wondering why others are not like you, having a little bit of your courageous mind. 

To you I will answer in this way. 

I was quoting from your post and in it you are referring to someone who you are saying it had no beginning.  And the subject of the OP is the LOGOS.

And the first time we read about the LOGOS is the Gospel of John at the beginning of chapter one. 

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

² The same was in the beginning with God.

³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

The above scriptures points to a lot of things one of them is that God was first before the WORD, and the WORD was loyal towards God.

And the WORD was also God. 

The reason why he is called the WORD is because he spoke the Creation into existence. 

As we see in Genesis one. 

But is not the same when it comes to man. 

Edited April 1, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Ray12614 said:

Actually, before I retired last year, I was an programmer for 35 years. I understand logic constructs and many programming languages thoroughly so your thread grabbed my interest. Actually, there can be quite involved logic constructs involving combinations of  OR, AND, ELSEIF, and other nested logic operators that define resulting outcomes.

So . . . Many times (in my opinion), we see conditional statements in God's Word, and forget that they may well be part of an higher group of  logical conditions that have to be satisfied first before the lower condition can activate.  LOL.

So, God's Word does, without a shadow of doubt, contain logical statements conditions within it. If we look at the various covenants in scripture, we can easily see this. IF you keep the covenant conditions, THEN blessings will follow, ELSE you are out of the covenant and will reap the consequences.

Of course, God deals with the 'heart conditions' of mankind, and can at his will override logic conditions with His higher principals of Mercy and Grace. Also, don't forget Judgement is also a part of this process.

However, we can never equate or reduce our God to logic (I am not saying that your are doing that, just mentioning this here), because He possesses logic, wisdom, understanding, and so much greater than our tiny human minds can relate to.  

I am sure what I said above will be disagreed with . . . Interesting thread . . . 

Grace and Peace . . . Ray . . . 

Thank you, that was a beautiful post.

You sounded a little bit like a Lawyer, but you must have the skills of a Lawyer so if your mind travels in some way of the bounds you can bring it back.

It is a lot like math.

Also thank you for the part when you said that the Lord applies Grace and Mercy as follows. 

"Of course, God deals with the 'heart conditions' of mankind, and can at his will override logic conditions with His higher principals of Mercy and Grace. Also, don't forget Judgement is also a part of this process.".

John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. 

I do not say that there was not Mercy or the Lord was not Merciful in the old, because there were many examples that he was and that was in specific situations and not an ongoing and permanent situation.  

An example is when David and his men ate the Holy bread and they did not died but the Priests died on a Later day. As a matter of fact all of them died from that family. 

This is a unique situation and it was not without a special reason to show the Grace that will come upon those who will eat from the bread of Life, not that they need to do what David did, but when they eat from the bread of Life when will be offered to them. 

in the great comission that what happened. It happened something similar when Jesus bless the bread and gave it to his disciples to distribute to the crowd and at the end were twelve baskets left. 

And the sad part is that all the Priests who were in the family of the High Priest who was there when David took the bread and ate and he distrusted the bread to his men and ate and they lived.

The death of the Priest it does not just may imply that the Preist did not ate the bread and those who do not eat the bread of Life that they will die, and that too, as it may include the Priests who opposed Jesus the bread of Life and they refused to accept him.

They did not die on the spot, but if they remain in that refusal one day they will die without the bread of Life in them.

It also shows that when the bread of Life is ready to be given to the disciples to be given to the world at that time we do not need the AARONIC PRIESHOOD. 

That event will bring the end to the Priesthood according to the Law. 

The people can build as a great Temple as they want, when that time comes, and if they ordained Priests, then what? Can they revive the Priesthood? And whose presence will be in the Temple?

When Jesus looked prophetically in the Temple he said that he does not see the presence of God in the Temple. 

 

 

[Dennis1209]

5 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Thank you for your question. 

I am wondering why others are not like you, having a little bit of your courageous mind. 

To you I will answer in this way. 

I was quoting from your post and in it you are referring to someone who you are saying it had no beginning.  And the subject of the OP is the LOGOS.

And the first time we read about the LOGOS is the Gospel of John at the beginning of chapter one. 

John 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

² The same was in the beginning with God.

³ All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 

The above scriptures points to a lot of things one of them is that God was first before the WORD, and the WORD was loyal towards God.

And the WORD was also God. 

The reason why he is called the WORD is because he spoke the Creation into existence. 

As we see in Genesis one. 

But is not the same when it comes to man. 

OK thanks, I see your point and reasoning now.

[Alive]

Some great posts to the OP, folks.

I would like to iterate my original intent. That is to point to the ‘reason’ The Logos Created and why He made man. I have often gone to Paul’s mention of His ‘eternal purpose’. I see this wee statement of Paul by the Holy Spirit, to be connected to the Logos in both reason and person, for a specific ‘reason’.

:-)

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, Ray12614 said:

However, we can never equate or reduce our God to logic

Yes, a reasonable conclusion we can reach by means of logical deduction. 

[Marathoner]

5 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Yes, a reasonable conclusion we can reach by means of logical deduction. 

 

[Alive]

And for us in Christ as the Holy Spirit works along side.

Paraclete. Light transcends logic, but it and He does not contradict it.

This is profound.

[Michael37]

18 minutes ago, Alive said:

And for us in Christ as the Holy Spirit works along side.

Paraclete. Light transcends logic, but it and He does not contradict it.

This is profound.

Profound indeed. 

It has been noted that scientists, whether atheist or not, depend on the Universe being ordered, logical, and uniform. 

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

Some great posts to the OP, folks.

I would like to iterate my original intent. That is to point to the ‘reason’ The Logos Created and why He made man. I have often gone to Paul’s mention of His ‘eternal purpose’. I see this wee statement of Paul by the Holy Spirit, to be connected to the Logos in both reason and person, for a specific ‘reason’.

:-)

There are more opinions on this than I had freckles as a kid. You cannot discuss this topic without first specifying what it means to be made in the image of God. What is meant as an imager of God?

I am not going to go there but condense my thoughts. The Lord wanted a family, and He created a spiritual family that resides in His dimension; he then desired a human family, all for His praise, honor, and glory.

Our planet and the entire universe have been spoken (Logos) into existence with us in mind, not to mention His creation declares His glory.

Suppose the earth was situated anywhere else in our galaxy, the sun or moon further or closer, with no ozone or magnetic field, our oxygen level higher or lower, plus hundreds of other significant things needed to support life here on this planet. The earth was designed, placed, and fashioned for us in mind.

The actual meaning of servant is a better-rendered enslaved person or slave:

John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. [emphasis mine]

[1528] δοῦλος doulos 126× a male slave, or servant, of various degrees, Mt. 8:9, et al. freq.; a servitor, person of mean condition, Phil. 2:7; fem. δούλη, a female slave; a handmaiden, Lk. 1:38, 48; Acts 2:18; δοῦλος, used figuratively, in a bad sense, one involved in moral or spiritual thraldom, Jn. 8:34; Rom. 6:17, 20; 1 Cor. 7:23; 2 Pet. 2:19; in a good sense, a devoted servant or minister, Acts 16:17; Rom. 1:1; one pledged or bound to serve, 1 Cor. 7:22; 2 Cor. 4:5 [1400, 1401] See servant; slave.

Mounce, William D. Mounce’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old & New Testament Words, Zondervan, 2006, p. 1128.

I see one reason why God created man. God is love; he wants to love us and wants our passion, dedication, and service to Him. Another apparent reason is that we are to carry out His will on earth in His physical absence.

The Lord told both Adam & Noah to be fruitful and multiply. There was no conditional clause such as; until the earth reaches maximum carrying capacity or overpopulated.

The Lord created the expanse and beauty to show His glory. I have wondered if it was intended for human expansion or to visit and explore someday?

If not for the fall and onset of death, disease, famine, war, etc. What would the global population be today?

[Dennis1209]

5 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Profound indeed. 

It has been noted that scientists, whether atheist or not, depend on the Universe being ordered, logical, and uniform. 

With dark matter and dark energy, the glue that holds everything together?