First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

YOU YOURSELF HAVE NO PROBLEM with the SOUL rising IMMEDIATELY do you?

BUT WHEN IT COMES TO THE  EVERY SEED A BODY........

I assure you it ISN'T BECAUSE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN 

It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory:
it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.
There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

No I don't have a problem with the soul going directly to be with the Lord because that's what's in scripture. 

And I do not have a problem with every seed has a body either.

The problem, as it so often is, is a problem of timing. When? The only answer I see to that is 'at the last trump'. 

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

AM I 'GAP FILLING' OR ARE YOU 'GAP CREATING'? 

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:

'THE DYING of the first one BRINGS LIFE to the other.  WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT HEAVENLY BODY IS MADE ALIVE AT THAT POINT FOR???  TO MARK THE DECOMP?

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

We BOTH have the SOUL rising  but BECAUSE I BELIEVE

the one dies which makes the other alive and that every seed a body

1 Corinthians 15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: 

"that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: "

When? Sure, when the seed it planted it will grow, if there is heat and light and water. If not it lays dormant and can for years. So...When? 

No seed sprouts the moment it's planted. 

There's no timing for when it comes to life.

You say it's immediate. Where's the proof it's immediate? That it is quickened only if it dies is true; but this does does not say when it is quickened. So...Where's the When?

You are filling in the gap of When? with 'Immediate'. Paul says 'at the last trump'. That's a When.

What to do??

[Diaste]

21 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

If you please, you need to elaborate more and more specifically, because there is a lot of scriptures and of course comments. 

A lot of scriptures, few comments. 

Please point what is suppose to be unscriptural. 

The immediate change upon death, or as DeighAnn puts it; 'no delay' between death and resurrection of the spiritual body.

Paul says, "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."

 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Diaste said:

The immediate change upon death, or as DeighAnn puts it; 'no delay' between death and resurrection of the spiritual body.

Paul says, "Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."

 

Jesus said: I am the Life and the resurrection.I am the bread of Life who came down from Heaven.  

We are standing in the Life of Jesus Christ. 

We live and we die while we are standing in the Life of Jesus Christ. 

Jesus did not find us amongst the dead. We were never amongst the dead. 

Some others were amongst the dead and that's where Jesus found them and that's where he offered them the bread of Life. 

Jesus went to them at the time of his death on the Cross. 

Jesus went to them after he shed his blood of the New Covenant for the forgiveness of sins of everyone who believes in him that he died for the forgiveness of the sins of everyone who believes in him. 

Jesus at his death went "descended" at the place of the dead while he was in the Life of God himself. 

The first man that has ever descended in the place of the dead in the Life of God and the last one. 

We need God to teach us, and in this case what God is teaching us?

The body of Jesus was in the Cross and it was moved in the Tomb and guarded. 

We can live without our bodies when we die. 

Our Spirit lives without our body at the time of the physical death. 

As a matter of fact Jesus could not go to the place of the dead unless he dies first and is separated from his body at that time.  

We can live without our bodies at the time of our physical death. 

In our case we are going to where Jesus is because we are in him...

We were in him while we lived. In our standing we are in him, we are his people, his family, when we believe in him we are born from above. 

We have forgiveness of our sins in him, in his blood. 

At the time of our physical death our Spirit which has been born from above, from God or our Soul as some like to say as to distance them selves from Job and ecclesiastes and follow Jesus in this matter do not need our body to go to Heaven to be with Jesus Christ and God. 

What exactly happens there, we do not have a very detailed account of an eye witness as to take us step by step...

But we know that everyone will be in his own glory.

We cannot be in the Glory of our fellow Servant who said to John as we read in the book of revelation " do not kneel down to me, I am one of your brethren one of the prophets one of the servants, at that time he did not identify himself with his earthly name and John did not asked. 

Because his mission it was not about him and he did not included his own words and thoughts, but he only spoke the words God gave him, because he got them from God and because he was with God. 

What is the question? 

Edited April 14, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[DeighAnn]

7 hours ago, Diaste said:

A seed can lay dormant for years.

Yes,  dormant just like 'sleeping'. 

We don't SORROW like the heathen because we were given words of comfort.  

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again,
EVEN SO THEM 

WE DO believe that Jesus died AND ROSE AGAIN,  

WHY ARE WE NOT BELIEVING THE 'EVEN SO THEM'? 


ARE YOU connecting them to Jesus here or are you connecting THEM to other THINGS WRITTEN else where? 

If it is other THINGS written else, do those OTHER things give you a WAY in which to disconnect 'THEM' from how they are connected here?   If yes, where are you getting this information?   I will go read that to  see  HOW are you able to disconnect them from what we are told here.  

BUT the information we are given CONTINUES ON FORWARD TO MAKE THIS POINT SOLID as far as I see when I read 

are BEING BROUGHT BACK WITH HIM.  

WHAT IS WRITTEN THAT SAYS  'JESUS IS RETURNING TO RAISE DEAD BODIES FOR LIVING SOULS'.  

WHAT I read is He is returning 

AND THE DEAD ARE RISING.   

Think about THIS.  

Christ and His ARMIES (THOSE WHO NEVER DIED ALONG WITH THOSE WHO WERE RAISED AFTER HE PREACHED WHEN HE DESCENDED AT THE CRUCIFIXION) are returning the END the AGE of EARTHLY MENS kingdoms who have been ruled under the god of this world. 

ALL THE DEAD from the last 6000 years are in their graves.  All those 'bodies' from those who have taken the mark of the beast are not just 'laying' on top of the earth.  

Those who didn't take the mark of the beast ARE STILL IN THEIR FLESH bodies, THE LAST TO BE IN 'FLESH' BODIES,  WATCHING ALL THIS TAKE PLACE.  


1.  IF THE 'DEAD' don't RISE now, then WHO DOES GODS WRATH FALL UPON?

2.  HOW ARE THE SOULS UNDER THE ALTAR AVENGED?

3.  WHO DO WE RULE AND REIGN OVER FOR THE NEXT 1000 YEARS?  

Here are the choices as I see them.  

1.  All those who took the mark of the beast DON'T DIE at all, and we rule and reign over them for the next 1000 years. 
(Remember the time had to be shorten or else NO FLESH would be saved AKA no one ALIVE AND REMAINING TO BE CHANGED)  (and don't forget THE WHOLE WORLD WILL BE DECEIVED)  

or 

2.  











WHY ARE 'THE DEAD in Christ' rising and NOT 'THE ALIVE IN CHRIST'?

I believe it is THE DEAD because they DIDN'T RECEIVE THE GIFT OF SALVATION WHILE THEY LIVED, and we need someone to rule and reign over.  

They didn't chose the Lord Jesus and receive the promise of NEVER DIE.  So they died and the are still dead until Christ returns.  (like those who died under the law and were in their graves until Christ came and ROSE with His dead body, when their graves opened because they believed 'the good news He preached to them).  

 

The reason the ALIVE IN CHRIST DON'T RAISE IS BECAUSE they RESURRECTED to go be where HE IS and that is in heaven until He returns and they return with Him.  








 

 

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:27 She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

 

 

 

John 11:33 When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, He groaned in the spirit, and was troubled.

John 11:34 And said, Where have ye laid him? They said unto him, Lord, come and see.

John 11:35 Jesus wept.

John 11:36 Then said the Jews, Behold how he loved him!

John 11:37 And some of them said, Could not this man, which opened the eyes of the blind, have caused that even this man

should not have died?
 

John 11:38 Jesus therefore again groaning in Himself cometh to the grave. It was a cave, and a stone lay upon it.

John 11:39 Jesus said, Take ye away the stone. Martha, the sister of him that was dead, saith unto him, Lord, by this time he stinketh: for he hath been dead four days.

John 11:40 Jesus saith unto her, Said I not unto thee, that,

if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?

John 11:41 Then they took away the stone from the place where the dead was laid. And Jesus lifted up his eyes, and said, Father, I thank Thee that Thou hast heard Me.

John 11:42 And I knew that Thou hearest Me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that Thou hast sent Me.

John 11:43 And when he thus had spoken, He cried with a loud voice, Lazarus, come forth.

John 11:44 And he that was dead came forth, bound hand and foot with graveclothes: and his face was bound about with a napkin. Jesus saith unto them, Loose him, and let him go.

 

John 11:47 Then gathered the chief priests and the Pharisees a council, and said, What do we? for this man doeth many miracles.

John 11:48 If we let Him thus alone, all men will believe on him: and the Romans shall come and take away both our place and nation.

John 11:49 And one of them, named Caiaphas, being the high priest that same year, said unto them, Ye know nothing at all,

John 11:50 Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.

John 11:51 And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;

John 11:52 And not for that nation only, but that also He should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad.

BY THAT TIME THEY (THE SCATTERED SHEEP) WERE CALLING THEMSELVES 'GENTILES', TODAY THEY CALL THEMSELVES THE GENTILE CHURCH. 
GONNA BE 'RAPTURED AWAY' BECAUSE 'THEY' ARE DIFFERENT THAN 'ISRAEL'. 

HOW SAD.  KINDA REMINDS ME OF ESAU WHO DIDN'T CARE ABOUT HIS HERITAGE EITHER.  GOD HATED HIM.  WONDER HOW MANY PEOPLE DON'T EVEN BOTHER TO STUDY THE OLD TESTAMENT BECAUSE 'IT ISN'T ABOUT THEM' WHEN IN REALITY IT IS ALL ABOUT THEIR LORD AND SAVIOUR THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY.  

BUT, POSSIBLY, THAT IS JUST IN MY PERSONAL OPINION .



 

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow Me NOW; but thou shalt follow Me afterwards.

John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for Thy sake.

John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In My Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:

no man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known My Father also: and from henceforth ye know Him, and have seen Him.

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in Me, He doeth the works.

John 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe Me for the very works' sake.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on Me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto My Father.

John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in My name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in My name, I will do it.

John 14:15 If ye love Me, keep My commandments.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever;

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him; for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more;

but ye see Me: because I live, ye shall live also.

Any possibility you could tell me WHAT ALL hinges on coming back for a body?  There must be something that DEPENDS upon 
1.  A soul rising with out a body or
2.  The dead in Christ being the alive in Christ or
3.  The return for a glorified body

[DeighAnn]

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

Sure. Not disputing this. But is it 'gave' or 'will give'? The only timing I see for this:

"Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed— 52in an instant, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53For the perishable must be clothedf with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality."

At the last trump is when the change comes. Not before. And... "we will all be changed". 

THE ALIVE AND REMAINING ARE ALL THAT ARE 'CHANGED'.  

The SAVED have gone on to heaven. They changed long ago or short ago. 

The DEAD have not gone to heaven and so rise.   That is THEIR CHANGE.  

The ALIVE and remaining HAVE NEVER DIED, and aren't 'rising' from death, they are changing from one body to ANOTHER.  A REWARD IF YOU WILL for NEVER taking the mark of the beast.  For having put on the gospel armor.  For standing and overcoming and enduring to the end.  

AT THE LAST TRUMP

[DeighAnn]

11 hours ago, Diaste said:

No seed sprouts the moment it's planted. 

There's no timing for when it comes to life.

You say it's immediate. Where's the proof it's immediate? That it is quickened only if it dies is true; but this does does not say when it is quickened. So...Where's the When?

You are filling in the gap of When? with 'Immediate'. Paul says 'at the last trump'. That's a When.

What to do??

1 Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.


JESUS DIED AND ROSE, EVEN SO US.  HE DIDN'T WAIT 6000 YEARS.  NOR 2000 YEARS.  HE HAD WORK TO DO THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO DO.  

BASIC COMMON SENSE TELLS us that IF IT WASN'T then it would not be written LIKE IT WAS.  THAT IS CALLED CONFUSION.  IF IT HAS TO BE EXPLAINED THEN SOMETHING IS WRONG WHEN SUCH SIMPLE MESSAGES ARE GIVEN.  

WE ARE NOT
1.  BRINGING ABOUT A CHANGE OF LAWS REGARDING DEATH
2.  WE ARE NOT PREACHING TO THOSE WHO HAVE BEEN DEAD, IN THE GRAVE
3.  WE ARE NOT TAKING THEM TO HEAVEN


1 Corinthians 15:12 Now if Christ be preached that He rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

YOU ARE SAYING THERE IS NO RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD THOUGH

YOU ARE SAYING THERE WILL BE A RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.  

SAYING THERE WILL BE AND THAT THERE IS ARE TWO COMPLETELY DIFFERENT THINGS.  

ONE IS A PROPHECY,    THE OTHER IS A PRESENT DAY FACT.  


1  Corinthians 15:13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

IF THERE IS NO PROPHECY THEN CHRIST IS NOT RISEN.  

ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?  

BECAUSE I READ 'IF THERE IS NO RESURRECTION' LIKE IF THERE IS NO FOOD ON THE TABLE WE DON'T EAT.

WHICH MAKES WHAT YOU SAY YOU BELIEVE TO BE LIKE

Why isn't Paul saying IF THERE IS NOT TO BE A RESURRECTION

OR IF THE DEAD AREN'T GOING TO BE RESURRECTED

OR IF THE DEAD SOMEDAY WILL NOT BE RISING

OR 

ANYTHING BUT IF THE DEAD DON'T   THEN.......

GOD keeps being the AUTHOR OF CONFUSION never what is written plainly and simply is ever what is meant.  VERSE AFTER VERSE AFTER VERSE OF WHAT IS WRITTEN IS TURNED INTO       

'HATH GOD SAID'.

YES, I DO KEEP saying IMMEDIATELY because IT IS WRITTEN THAT WAY. 

TAKE AWAY THE 'MYSTERY' WHICH YOU CLAIM PUTS IN A DELAY AND READ THOSE VERSES AS THEY ARE WRITTEN,  AND YOU WILL FIND no delay in them at all. 

AS THEY STAND WITHOUT THE MYSTERY,  NONE OF THEM HAVE 'A DELAY' FOUND WITHIN THE WAY THEY ARE WRITTEN.   

NO 'MYSTERY' -  if the dead don't rise Christ isn't risen.  PRESENT NOT FUTURE, nothing ADDED nor subtracted.  

with MYSTERY  -  IF THE DEAD AREN'T GOING TO, WONT BE RISING SOME DAY, RISE


 IT IS THE MYSTERY BEING USED TO 'ADD THE DELAY' WHERE A DELAY IS NOT ORIGINALLY FOUND TO BE WRITTEN. 

THERE IS NO 'GAP' FOR ME TO BE FILLING

BUT 'THE ONE YOU ARE CREATING' 
SO it may SEEM like I am but I am not. 


It is the 'how a seed grows into a plant' being used to  CHANGE WHAT IS WRITTEN INSTEAD OF TAKING WHAT IS WRITTEN AS BEING WHAT IS TRUTH.


The mystery is BASICALLY A CHANGE OF SUBJECT,  AND APPLYING that to the rest of the chapter to CHANGE BASICALLY EVERYTHING it just taught CAN'T BE WHAT GOD INTENDED.  


 

[DeighAnn]

11 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

We can live without our bodies when we die. 

Ohhhh, yuck, I so don't even want to go here,  I would much rather go here  but have no choice, this just makes me feel  


We can live without our earthen vessel but only because 
 

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

 

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.



1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Ohhhh, yuck, I so don't even want to go here,  I would much rather go here  but have no choice, this just makes me feel  


We can live without our earthen vessel but only because 
 

2 Corinthians 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 Corinthians 5:2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

2 Corinthians 5:3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.

2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.

 

1 Corinthians 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:

1 Corinthians 15:38 But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.



1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body.

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1 Corinthians 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

 

(12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:)

(We can live without our bodies when we die.)

While it is correct to say that this statement above in parentheses can be found in my previous post, but at the same time it is not correct to say that this is the only statement in my previous post, it is everything I had posted before I made that statement, it is the context and the reason that I made that statement. 

It is not incorrect to say that we can live without our bodies after we die because this is what we learn through out the scriptures. 

The example I gave is that Jesus Christ when he died he went in the place of the dead for three days while his body was in the Tomb.

And he went to the dead, to all those who had died before him and who were in the place of the dead, and they could not be there while they are in their bodies.

The place to be while they were in their bodies it is the earth. 

When they died this is the time they were taken to the place of the dead. 

They had to experience the physical death. 

This is before the resurrection of Jesus Christ.  

Man could not go to his DEFAULT destination at death, that has to happen at the time when the spirit of man lives the dead body, because the spirit of man does not remain in the dead body.

Even the devil leaves from the dead man when the man dies.

Jesus Christ preached the Gospel to the Spirits of Men in the place of the dead. 

All those dead people were out of their bodies, after they died they continued to live without their bodies.

They heard the Gospel from Jesus Christ while they were down there and they only way to be down there is to die the physical death.  

 

[DeighAnn]

29 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

 

(12 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:)

(We can live without our bodies when we die.)

While it is correct to say that this statement above in parentheses can be found in my previous post, but at the same time it is not correct to say that this is the only statement in my previous post, it is everything I had posted before I made that statement, it is the context and the reason that I made that statement. 

It is not incorrect to say that we can live without our bodies after we die because this is what we learn through out the scriptures. 

The example I gave is that Jesus Christ when he died he went in the place of the dead for three days while his body was in the Tomb.

And he went to the dead, to all those who had died before him and who were in the place of the dead, and they could not be there while they are in their bodies.

The place to be while they were in their bodies it is the earth. 

When they died this is the time they were taken to the place of the dead. 

They had to experience the physical death. 

This is before the resurrection of Jesus Christ.  

Man could not go to his DEFAULT destination at death, that has to happen at the time when the spirit of man lives the dead body, because the spirit of man does not remain in the dead body.

Even the devil leaves from the dead man when the man dies.

Jesus Christ preached the Gospel to the Spirits of Men in the place of the dead. 

All those dead people were out of their bodies, after they died they continued to live without their bodies.

They heard the Gospel from Jesus Christ while they were down there and they only way to be down there is to die the physical death.  

 

And the only way to hear is with ears. 

It is ok.  I did read the post and this one too. Everyone seems to be able to see us 'without' a body for some things,  whereas I am not able to.  I even see those in hades with spiritual bodies.  Anyway, I am signing off for the evening.  Have a good night and God bless you always