First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?

[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

That PROPHECY, the PROPHECY you KEEP CLAIMING is future, has already taken place. 

HOW CAN WE BE POSITIVE?  BEYOND a shadow of a doubt?  Because HE ROSE.  And if you listen to  the prophecy THAT IS  'THE WHEN' we are told of the DEAD 'living' again.  WHEN is answered by HIS BODY RISING AND THEM RISING WITH HIM. 

THAT IS OVER AND DONE WITH.


You can pretend it's future, but that is what it would be just pretend.  
 

THERE ARE NO MORE DEAD AFTER THE DEAD ROSE BECAUSE JESUS TOLD US THAT AFTER THAT THOSE WHO LIVETH
ARE LIVING

EVERYONE WHO COMES TO LIFE FROM THAT POINT ON NEVER DIES.  

 Can't think of another way to say it?  You thought I read it once and made a comment, I didn't follow what you were saying?   Well I read it a bunch of times and you re posting what I DIDN'T FOLLOW THE FIRST TIME does NOTHING to help. 

So
thanks for your time.  





 

Shall we run around the bush again and again 

"As I previously stated"

It appears you deny a future "bodily resurrection" of those that have "physically Died" in faith

Scripture clearly teaches just as Jesus Christ "physically died", and "physically resurrected" in a glorified body, those that have "Physically Died" that are in the faith will do the same

2 Timothy 2:16-18KJV

16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.

17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;

18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

1 Corinthians 15:12-14KJV

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

13 But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:

14 And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.

Edited April 21, 2022 by truth7t7

[Sister]

On 4/1/2022 at 2:49 AM, DeighAnn said:

First resurrection.  Does it take place just once?  or many times?  Is it of the just and the unjust or do they have separate times and places.  

 

Hi DeighAnn

The first resurrection takes place just once.  At the 7th Trump, The Coming.

The second resurrection takes place after the 1000 years....after the Gog and Magog war.  This is the finale.

 

John 5:25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:28   Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
 

John 5:29   And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It doesn't all happen on the same day.  If the dead are not in that first resurrection, they will take part in the second resurrection and be judged according to the books.....all have to face the judge to decide where they will be placed eternally. 

All who are in the graves will hear his voice either at the first or second resurrection.  None can escape.  When they hear Christ's voice the judge will be standing at the door.

 

 

[DeighAnn]

10 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

12 Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?

I WILL BE a billionaire and I AM a billionaire ARE NOT THE SAME THING,
NEVER WILL BE

You believe there WILL BE a resurrection of the dead -   JUST LIKE THEY DID.  

I believe there IS -  and that I NEVER die, just like Christ said.  

 

So, HOW SAY YOU there IS NO RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD?

You can talk around it all you want, you can even post Scripture and ACT LIKE it, SAY it, even PROCLAIM it is  'what you believe'
but CLEARLY,  it is not what you currently believe.    

THERE 'WILL BE' AND 'THERE IS'  ARE NOT THE SAME THING.  NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE.  

AGAIN,

I WILL BE a billionaire and I AM a billionaire ARE NOT THE SAME THING

[DeighAnn]

3 hours ago, Sister said:

Hi DeighAnn

The first resurrection takes place just once.  At the 7th Trump, The Coming.

The second resurrection takes place after the 1000 years....after the Gog and Magog war.  This is the finale.

 

John 5:25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:28   Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
 

John 5:29   And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It doesn't all happen on the same day.  If the dead are not in that first resurrection, they will take part in the second resurrection and be judged according to the books.....all have to face the judge to decide where they will be placed eternally. 

All who are in the graves will hear his voice either at the first or second resurrection.  None can escape.  When they hear Christ's voice the judge will be standing at the door.

 

 

and the graves were opened.  




WHAT part of NEVER DIE, don't you get?

Edited April 21, 2022 by DeighAnn

[Sister]

3 hours ago, Sister said:

First resurrection.  Does it take place just once?  or many times?  Is it of the just and the unjust or do they have separate times and places.  

 

4 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

PROVE IT.  

WHAT part of NEVER DIE, don't you get?

Where did you say that to the post I was answering?

 

[DeighAnn]

It's like a bunch of sheep following a foolish shepherd.  

3 hours ago, Sister said:

Hi DeighAnn

The first resurrection takes place just once.  At the 7th Trump, The Coming.

The second resurrection takes place after the 1000 years....after the Gog and Magog war.  This is the finale.

 

John 5:25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:28   Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
 

John 5:29   And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It doesn't all happen on the same day.  If the dead are not in that first resurrection, they will take part in the second resurrection and be judged according to the books.....all have to face the judge to decide where they will be placed eternally. 

All who are in the graves will hear his voice either at the first or second resurrection.  None can escape.  When they hear Christ's voice the judge will be standing at the door.

 

 

There have BEEN 'first resurrections' CONTINUALLY ever since the graves opened.  

Those of A FIRST RESURRECTION  will be RETURNING WITH HIM on horses and the alive and remaining will join up with them and they will all SIT UPON THRONES AND JUDGE.  THAT IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION.  IT ISN'T 'A DAY' IT IS A KIND OF RESURRECTION.  


 

1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.

1Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

Revelation 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them:

AND ALSO, AND IN ADDITION TO THOSE OF A 'FIRST RESURRECTION' WHO WILL BE RETURNING WITH HIM WILL BE THOSE

and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Revelation 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.





 

John 5:24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on Him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


WE HAVE LIFE ETERNAL WHEN WE HEAR AND BELIEVE IN THE LORD GOD ALMIGHTY. 



IT ISN'T A 'FUTURE' GIFT TO BE GIVEN, IT IS A GIFT RECEIVED AND POSSESSED FROM THAT TIME ON (IF).  

 3327. metabainó 
Strong's Concordance
metabainó: to pass over, withdraw, depart
Original Word: μεταβαίνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: metabainó
Phonetic Spelling: (met-ab-ah'-ee-no)
Definition: to pass over, withdraw, depart
Usage: I change my place (abode), leave, depart, remove, pass over.

μεταβαίνω; future μεταβήσομαι; 2 aorist μετεβην, imperative μετάβηθι and (in Matthew 17:20 L T Tr WH) μετάβα (see ἀναβαίνω, at the beginning); perfect μεταβέβηκα; from Homer down; to pass over from one place to another, to remote, depart: followed by ἀπό with a genitive of the place, Matthew 8:34; ἐξ οἰκίας εἰς οἰκίαν (cf. Winer's Grammar, § 52, 4. 10), Luke 10:7; ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου πρός τόν πατέρα, John 13:1; ἐντεῦθεν, John 7:3; ἐκεῖθεν, Matthew 11:1; Matthew 12:9; Matthew 15:29; Acts 18:7; ἐντεῦθεν (L T Tr WH ἔνθεν) ἐκεῖ (for ἐκισε (cf. Winers Grammar, § 54, 7; Buttmann, 71 (62))), of a thing, equivalent to to be removed, Matthew 17:20; metaphorically, ἐκ τοῦ θανάτου εἰς τήν ζωήν, John 5:24; 1 John 3:14.




THE DEAD ARE ALL THOSE 
FROM ADAM TO CHRIST -  WHO HAVE DIED EITHER UNDER THE LAW OR AS GENTILES

John 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when THE DEAD shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

THE HOUR,  NOW IS, 
IS UPON THE DEATH OF JESUS,  WHEN THE NEW COVENANT COMES INTO EFFECT

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:


YET SHALL HE LIVE
Matthew 27:50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

Matthew 27:51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Matthew 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,

Matthew 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

The serpent’s head was crushed  
Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Death was defeated  
Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, HE LED CAPTIVITY CAPTIVE, and gave gifts unto men.

Ephesians 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Ephesians 4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

The graves were opened
1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

1 Corinthians 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

New life under the NEW COVENANT
Hebrews 9:8 The Holy Spirit this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing:  9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;  10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.:11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building; 12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh  14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?  15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance. 16 For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator.  17 For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.


Prophesy fulfilled
Isaiah 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.


 

John 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;

John 5:27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.



When Christ does RETURN  -  THE DEAD   will rise  a resurrection of both the just and the unjust

John 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

At the GWTJ  -  THE DEAD who rose will STAND in judgment

Revelation 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

Revelation 20:12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Sister said:

2 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

PROVE IT.  

WHAT part of NEVER DIE, don't you get?

Where did you say that to the post I was answering?

IN RESPONSE TO THIS

Hi DeighAnn

The first resurrection takes place just once.  At the 7th Trump, The Coming.

The second resurrection takes place after the 1000 years....after the Gog and Magog war.  This is the finale.
 

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Sister said:

Hi DeighAnn

The first resurrection takes place just once.  At the 7th Trump, The Coming.

The second resurrection takes place after the 1000 years....after the Gog and Magog war.  This is the finale.

 

John 5:25   Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

John 5:28   Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
 

John 5:29   And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

It doesn't all happen on the same day.  If the dead are not in that first resurrection, they will take part in the second resurrection and be judged according to the books.....all have to face the judge to decide where they will be placed eternally. 

All who are in the graves will hear his voice either at the first or second resurrection.  None can escape.  When they hear Christ's voice the judge will be standing at the door.

 

 

At the time when Jesus spoke the words in John 5:28‐29 and 25, and the rest in John 5 he spoke to people who had no idea about revelation about Gog and Magog war. And about the first and second resurrection, Jesus at that time he said that the many things are within the knowledge of the Father.

At the same time Jesus told them about some things that soon will take place. 

With the things Jesus said to people the Jews and the scholars, and they did not disagree, not that he needed their agreement, but more as to have a question and discussion time.

The disciples who had grown with the teachings in the Synagogues did not question or asked Jesus to explain some of the things he had said as in other times.

When Jesus said "I am the Life and I will give the Life to those who believe in me, no one protested to say that they were in the Life, and that they had a Heavenly Inheritance. 

They believe that Abraham was is the Life of the Lord God that he was alive to the Lord in this Life and in the Life after his death.  

And they believe that their Inheritance after death was with their Father Abraham. 

Where Abraham was that's where they will also go at the time of their death...all together not some here and some there, or some with Abraham and some with the Lord God at the time of their death. 

And they had the hope of the resurrection, briefly looking forwards to some future change...

They are not clear and detailed as to what they hoped for...but Jesus Christ said that Abraham had some clarity and his hope for the change it was no him, on Jesus Christ. 

Jesus said that Abraham had come to understand that Jesus the Christ of God the Son of God will bring this change, or the change will come with him. 

He must be greater than Abraham because what he is going to bring is grater than what God brought with Abraham. 

Abraham had everything, but there was something that he did not have, something that he wish but he did not have..

And his descendants also wish to have but they were told that it won't start with them and they had to wait for that together with Abraham to where he was.

They were looking forwards to another Inheritance at death. 

They were happy that at death they were separated and set apart from the rest of the dead of the world. 

That at death they continue to be alive to their Lord and God. They were happy that the God of the dead was off limits to the place where they were. 

They were the Lord's people and continue to be the Lord's people after they died. 

They understand that they are not in the Life of God. 

They knew that because when exposed to the presence of God without his permission they die...

They knew that and never argue with that... by that time there were many examples of some people who thought otherwise and what happened to them when they took matters in their own hands.

Jesus said I am the Life and the resurrection...speaking to the Jews and began to talk about Abraham and Issac and Jacob and all his household and even though Jesus had included the whole world all who were dead the Jews thought that they had a monopoly of the Christ of God. 

The Jews believe that God will sent to them someone like Moses, a deliverer from God to deliverer them from the place where they were and they were in the place of the dead even though they were alive to the Lord and had their own territory separated from everyone else and the God of the dead was off limits. 

Still they believe that God will sent a deliverer to them to deliverer them out of that place to another place where they can be with their Lord and God and this is the place of their God "Heaven is my home". 

Then Jesus said, that Abraham and the dead that were with him all the people who had died and were gathered to Abraham...

Even though Jesus had the whole world in mind, the Jews wanted the Christ of God only for them selves...they were blind to that, that God in his Christ will make the two one, one Christ one Savior for the whole world. 

They saw the two made into one as the North and the south Kingdom having one King. 

Jesus said that the dead will hear his voice and will come to Life where they were (the Jews thought about them selves the only people of God who had died before their time, that would include Abraham, Issac and Jacob...excluding the other children of Abraham including only Issac the son of Sarah, to her was told that she will be the mother of many nations...and her only son was Issac...the blessing can go only to Issac from Abraham.

Jesus said the will hear his voice because he knew that he soon will die and go to where they were waiting for him, the promised Messiah from God. 

That time after his death on the Cross Jesus knew that he can give the Life to whom ever believes in him beginning from the place of the dead from Abraham first before the rest of the dead of the rest of the world. 

Abraham heard Jesus saying that he is the son of God the deliverer...not just from him but also from John the Baptist who had been gather to Abraham earlier as he had died earlier than Jesus and who had given the good news to Abraham that the Christ God had promised had come...and that he had met him and at the baptism God had given him the sign that Jesus was the one.

Jesus Christ said not only he will give the Life to the dead who would believe in him but he also said that he is the resurrection from the dead. 

That he will take them out from there, not only the Life giver but also will take them out of there. 

Like the Father who took Jesus out from there, better he raised up Jesus out from the place of the dead,  the same with everyone who had the Life or had believe in the Gospel Jesus Christ preached to them in the place of the dead. 

Jesus Christ said I am also the resurrection and he kept his word and he took them out from the place of the dead and to their knew home, the Heavenly one.

 

 

[truth7t7]

8 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

I WILL BE a billionaire and I AM a billionaire ARE NOT THE SAME THING,
NEVER WILL BE

You believe there WILL BE a resurrection of the dead -   JUST LIKE THEY DID.  

I believe there IS -  and that I NEVER die, just like Christ said.  

 

So, HOW SAY YOU there IS NO RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD?

You can talk around it all you want, you can even post Scripture and ACT LIKE it, SAY it, even PROCLAIM it is  'what you believe'
but CLEARLY,  it is not what you currently believe.    

THERE 'WILL BE' AND 'THERE IS'  ARE NOT THE SAME THING.  NOT EVEN IN THE BIBLE.  

AGAIN,

I WILL BE a billionaire and I AM a billionaire ARE NOT THE SAME THING

Shall we run around the bush again and again 

"As I previously stated"

It appears you deny a future "bodily resurrection" of those that have "physically Died" in faith

Scripture clearly teaches just as Jesus Christ "physically died", and "physically resurrected" in a glorified body, those that have "physically died" that are in the faith will do the same, it's that simple

"Future" "Physical" "Literal" "Bodily Resurrection"

Edited April 21, 2022 by truth7t7

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, truth7t7 said:

Shall we run around the bush again and again 

"As I previously stated"

It appears you deny a future "bodily resurrection" of those that have "physically Died" in faith

Scripture clearly teaches just as Jesus Christ "physically died", and "physically resurrected" in a glorified body, those that have "physically died" that are in the faith will do the same, it's that simple

"Physical" "Literal" "Resurrection"

Do you have scriptures as your foundation, because no where in the bible I have find anything like wise, only to the contrary.

Paul never said that he is looking forwards to have a body like Jesus and live on earth. 

John never said that also.

Jesus never said that also.

No one of the disciples said that...

So why you want the impossible to have your earthly body back, you want to have children?