First Resurrection, is it of Time Place or Rank?

[Selah7]

1 minute ago, DeighAnn said:

THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME ALL OF YOUR OBJECTIONS. 

IT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM PRAYING FOR.  


I am TRULY aware of how MUCH HARDER it is to get rid of false doctrine than it is to learn in the first place and IF this needs to GET OUT OF MY HEAD, ALL I can think is the SOONER THE BETTER.  

But here is the problem, I can find nothing that conflicts and it leaves NO QUESTIONS TO BE ASKED.  It is exactly as I expect all of Gods words are written.  

Do you have any questions that we can all maybe tackle together as brethren?

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Is that a question?

No, at His coming the alive and remaining are 'changed'.  What is that change?  It is from natural body to spiritual body and it is from mortality to immortality.  It is resurrection SAME AS ALL FIRST RESURRECTIONS.  

Passing from death to life ONLY WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WE GET TO SEE IT HAPPEN.  We go from a terrestrial world to the celestial world.  ALL the angels saints the army are coming with Christ.  

 

[Selah7]

Just now, DeighAnn said:

No, at His coming the alive and remaining are 'changed'.  What is that change?  It is from natural body to spiritual body and it is from mortality to immortality.  It is resurrection SAME AS ALL FIRST RESURRECTIONS.  

Passing from death to life ONLY WHEN CHRIST RETURNS WE GET TO SEE IT HAPPEN.  We go from a terrestrial world to the celestial world.  ALL the angels saints the army are coming with Christ.  

 

“ALL FIRST RESURRECTIONS?”  Uhhhh…. There’s only one, in my estimation.

So do you believe that at the change, this means a resurrection?

[Selah7]

@DeighAnn Do you believe that when a person dies, “absent from the body, present with the Lord” this means a resurrection?
 

Or are we on one side or the other of a gulf in Paradise waiting, as the martyrs are also impatiently waiting, for Jesus to return at the Second Advent.

Edited April 1, 2022 by Selah7

[DeighAnn]

1 minute ago, Selah7 said:

Do you have any questions that we can all maybe tackle together as brethren?

These are the questions.  You know I am a lousy teacher, I know I am a lousy teacher and I realize this is REALLY HARD TO GET TO BECAUSE IT ENCOMPASSES SO MUCH.  BUT everything depends on the other thing.  It is like a big circle and I don't know how to do it.  I really don't know how to do it.  Maybe I could give questions, you might be on to something

1.  Once we have been 'made alive in Christ' can we ever be found 'dead in Christ'?

2.  If we 'pass through death' can we be found 'dead'?

3.  We are given 2 bodies, when one is sown the other is raised so how can the 'spirit' go to heaven without the other?

How do those sound to you?

[DeighAnn]

4 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

“ALL FIRST RESURRECTIONS?”  Uhhhh…. There’s only one, in my estimation.

So do you believe that at the change, this means a resurrection?

ABSOLUTELY.  I believe we are 'resurrected' when we go from being spiritually dead to coming to FAITH.  It is a 'rising' up from death to life spiritually.  

So when one body dies and the other raises, it is a resurrection.  AND HOW do I know it is a body change?  

1.  That is how we were created
2.  That is how it is written
3.  WE RETURN ON HORSES in our linen, clean and white.  



IT DIES, IT RISES but only if it has received the gift of Salvation

1 Corinthians 15:42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:

1 Corinthians 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:

1 Corinthians 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

 

[Selah7]

2 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

These are the questions.  You know I am a lousy teacher, I know I am a lousy teacher and I realize this is REALLY HARD TO GET TO BECAUSE IT ENCOMPASSES SO MUCH.  BUT everything depends on the other thing.  It is like a big circle and I don't know how to do it.  I really don't know how to do it.  Maybe I could give questions, you might be on to something

1.  Once we have been 'made alive in Christ' can we ever be found 'dead in Christ'?

2.  If we 'pass through death' can we be found 'dead'?

3.  We are given 2 bodies, when one is sown the other is raised so how can the 'spirit' go to heaven without the other?

How do those sound to you?

1.  No.  The dead in Christ are those Christians/Saints/martyrs who have already passed on (died) and are in heaven/Paradise waiting to go into the FIRST Resurrection.  When Jesus returns they come with Him and have been resurrected.

2.  You can be found dead in Christ or spiritually dead.  The spiritually dead will have to go through the Millennium and then the Great White Throne Judgment.

3.  We have a physical body and a spiritual body.  At physical death, or at the 7th trump when Jesus returns, we step out of the flesh body and enter into our spiritual body.  The flesh body is discarded; we won’t need it anymore.

[DeighAnn]

7 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

@DeighAnn Do you believe that when a person dies, “absent from the body, present with the Lord” means a resurrection?  

ABSOLUTELY.   WE MAKE it complicated.  If we just read what is written and USE the wisdom and knowledge given us it flows so sweet and easy.  THIS IS WHY we are told to LEARN the words of God PRECEPT ON PRECEPT on precept on precept verse by verse.  When we learn Gods words Gods way OUR BRAINS, our thinking, our minds are conditioned to accept HIS WAYS and it eliminates OURS and also keeps us safe from the 'wisdom of man'.  

DID you learn this way?   I did.  And I did it more than once.  

The first time I realized there was a WAY to learn I stopped picked up the Bible and read it cover to cover.  No demands.  No learning.  No memorizing.  No problems (except running my felt pens dry).  No doing anything else until that was done.  Got me another Bible and more High lighters and did it again, this time with more attention to details.  THEN when I had done that I started doing 'books' but taking side trips everywhere they related to other books.  Now I have progressed to here a little there a little but it took a lot of time.  Most certainly the best couple years of my life.  Oh, message from you

[Selah7]

Read it again:

But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming.  - 1 Corinthians 15:20-23 

[Selah7]

One more time 
 

The First Resurrection . . .

REVELATION 2o:4

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Okay, so thrones are where rulers, those who wear crowns, those in positions of authority who exercise judgment, sit. And there are two types of people that sit on them in this passage. 

(1) The first category includes all martyrs throughout history, including those who have been beheaded, slain or imprisoned.

(2) Those of this final generation who had the seal of God in their foreheads and defeated the beast make up the second group. 

Is verse 4 awesome or what?  "And they lived and ruled with Christ a thousand years"—What a privilege and honor! 

(5) But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

So, if you weren't a part of the first resurrection, you're among "the remaining," also known as "the dead," and you'll have to wait until the conclusion of the Millennium. You will then be tested by Satan, who will be temporarily released for a short season, and then you will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment when the books are opened (vs. 12). Then and only then will you be able to participate in the Second Resurrection and receive eternal life. Until this happens, you are still considered "dead" because you are still subject to the second death, which is thedestruction of your soul in the lake of fire (vs. 14). Here is Christ telling us that there are two deaths, one of the flesh, and one of the soul in the lake of fire:

MATTHEW 10:28 
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Recognize that in verse 5, we have entered the Millennium, okay?  There are no flesh people left! Every single person has been changed!  And John isinforming us of all this!  The first death (of the flesh) and the first resurrection (to eternal life) has happened; it’s over!  In the Millennium, the "dead" are those who are spiritually dead, alive in their spiritual bodies.  ….but we know that to "live" entails receiving "everlasting life,” right?  Sothen, the "dead" cannot "live" until the thousand years are completed—these cannot receive the gift of eternal life until the second resurrection, which occurs after the Millennium.

Hope this makes sense, D.