The Creation of Lucifer.

[Gerioke]

I do not agree with the notion that God created Satan for to do Evil.

[mrs]

thank you smiles.

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you're welcome

[Gerioke]

You say we choose our own path. We have the ability to do good or bad.

Judas didn't have that choice. Christ chose him just as He chose the other disciples. They were all sinners. What made Judas different?

Once Christ chose Judas, his fate was sealed. Whether he believed or not, he was still chosen to be the one to betray Christ.

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Christ chose Judas because He knew the state of his heart. Judas was a bad apple so he was the perfect man for the job.

[NITE OWL]

You say we choose our own path. We have the ability to do good or bad.

Judas didn't have that choice. Christ chose him just as He chose the other disciples. They were all sinners. What made Judas different?

Once Christ chose Judas, his fate was sealed. Whether he believed or not, he was still chosen to be the one to betray Christ.

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Christ chose Judas because He knew the state of his heart. Judas was a bad apple so he was the perfect man for the job.

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That's my point. He didn't choose, he was chosen.

[Joy in the Journey]

I posted the scripture. So you want to ignore the scripture in favor of old fairy tales instead of the scriptures?

12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 

13 For you have said in your heart: 'I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north;

14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.'

15 Yet you shall be brought down to Sheol, To the lowest depths of the Pit.

16 "Those who see you will gaze at you, And consider you, saying: 'Is this the man who made the earth tremble, Who shook kingdoms,

Denise

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Well, Paul states that Adam was the first man [ 1 Corinthians 15:45 ] - and the Genesis account also states that Adam was the first man created. I hardly think recorded scripture is an "old fairy tale" as you put it. You are taking a verse out of context to support your belief that Lucifer was a man- he's a created being, yes...but not a man. Lucifer was not created in the image of God as we are- he's hardly a man; rather a fallen angel.

God bless,

Tim

[Joy in the Journey]

See Tim...your last sentence is what I struggle with.

1. We are taught to be Christ-like but if what you say is true, God is all about himself. His glory. "Its all about him'' as you say. If we were to be like that, we would be labeled as selfish and narcassistic instead of Christ-like.

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Hey Dan

Let me ask- why shouldn't it be all about Him ? Why should it be about us ? The only thing we deserve is death and hell. Yet Christ regarded our helpless state, had compassion on us ( when He didn't have to ) and gave up His life for ours. And for that, I'm eternally grateful to Him for it; and I'm more than happy to surrender my everything to Him. He deserves it to be all about Him- for He alone is worthy

2. He knew we would fall and many go to an ever lasting hell that he created. Yet, the reason we are told that we were created was for HIS pleasure. Seems a bit selfish to allow or risk that so you can have pleasure .

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I'll just answer that one with scripture- you'll see it's not selfish at all You need to bear in mind that God has the right to do with His creation as He sees fit...

Romans 9:19-21

19 One of you will say to me: "Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?"

20 But who are you, O man, to talk back to God? "Shall what is formed say to him who formed it, 'Why did you make me like this?'

21 Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for noble purposes and some for common use?

We are NO position to demand anything- we were in debt to God- we couldn't pay the debt so Jesus paid it for us...so we are now indebted to Him. He deserves ALL the glory, honour and praise- as I stated, it's all about Him

3. Finally, I'm not calling God a narcassist,sadistic or selfish. I can even except that it is merely one of those things that can't be explained. But I would think any mind that has givin this matter much thought would have these questions run through it. In truth, I have never heard a very good answer to these questions but I still want to be connected to God inspite of my ignorance of the matter.

I am not trying to dis God. Just trying to share trythful thoughts and believe me, I am desperately looking for solid reasonable answers.

I hope I can be forgivin for these thoughts. But God knows my thoughts anyway so why lie?

Dan

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Well, I'm glad you have an open mind about it and admit you have areas you don't understand ( as we all do! ). I hope I've made a little sense here about why I believe our focus should be off us and onto Jesus ? I've done nothing to deserve that price Jesus paid- and yet He still wants to call me His friend There's no greater love than Him

God bless you,

Tim

[ruah brit]

I posted the scripture. So you want to ignore the scripture in favor of old fairy tales instead of the scriptures?

12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations!

[ruah brit]

I do not agree with the notion that God created Satan for to do Evil.

Edited September 13, 2005 by ruah brit