Passover/Holy Communion

[Your closest friendnt]

1 minute ago, BeyondET said:

There probably is though God himself can rise a hand

Thank you, it was important to post the scripture and or reference to the scripture. And the reference to Samuel 2, 24:16 it helps to understand what acctually took place...

[BeyondET]

Just now, Your closest friendnt said:

Thank you, it was important to post the scripture and or reference to the scripture. And the reference to Samuel 2, 24:16 it helps to understand what acctually took place...

Indeed, in Samuel it's a angel, in Exodus not so much. Imo

[Your closest friendnt]

16 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Indeed, in Samuel it's a angel, in Exodus not so much. Imo

Exodus 22:23, it gives a more clear picture as to what happened.  

First the NIV.... will not permit the destroyer to enter your house....

and then the NLT...where it says that, He will not permit his death Angel to enter your house and strike you down.

Exodus 12:23

New International Version
When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

New Living Translation
For the LORD will pass through the land to strike down the Egyptians. But when he sees the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe, the LORD will pass over your home. He will not permit his death angel to enter your house and strike you down. 

Edited May 26, 2022 by Your closest friendnt

[Anne2]

14 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Please tell me what am I supposed to think about this "covenantal way". Please brief me.

 

Distinguishing between the abrahamic Covenants as well as the Sinai covenant. The Levitical Priesthood is established with Sinai, The Abrahamic covenant of Genesis 17 established Christ's priesthood. 

 

[BeyondET]

9 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Exodus 22:23, it gives a more clear picture as to what happened.  

First the NIV.... will not permit the destroyer to enter your house....

and then the NLT...where it says that, He will not permit his death Angel to enter your house and strike you down.

Exodus 12:23

New International Version
When the LORD goes through the land to strike down the Egyptians, he will see the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe and will pass over that doorway, and he will not permit the destroyer to enter your houses and strike you down.

New Living Translation
For the LORD will pass through the land to strike down the Egyptians. But when he sees the blood on the top and sides of the doorframe, the LORD will pass over your home. He will not permit his death angel to enter your house and strike you down. 

Huh I must of passed right over that, thank you for pointing that out to me my friend. Indeed scripture mentions not allowing the destroyer to enter very well noted thanks again

[Your closest friendnt]

2 minutes ago, BeyondET said:

Huh I must of passed right over that, thank you for pointing that out to me my friend. Indeed scripture mentions not allowing the destroyer to enter very well noted thanks again

I learn something from that exercise too.

When it is a difficult text it is good to post scripture and reference to scripture. 

God bless

[BeyondET]

4 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I learn something from that exercise too.

When it is a difficult text it is good to post scripture and reference to scripture. 

God bless

That's one of the beauty's of scripture, we can learn individually and or collectively as a group.

God Bless you too...

[Your closest friendnt]

19 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Distinguishing between the abrahamic Covenants as well as the Sinai covenant. The Levitical Priesthood is established with Sinai, The Abrahamic covenant of Genesis 17 established Christ's priesthood. 

 

I agree with that...I must agree with that. They are two different Priesthood(s).

The Aaronic Priesthood precludes Jesus from ministering in the Temple, as he is not qualify according to the rules of the Sinai Covenant. 

But the same it can be said for the Priest in the family of Jesus Christ. 

So we have a High Priest with his Priests in a different set up...

But this is not the only difference that distinguish those two orders of Priesthood. 

First looking in the set up in the Temple where the Aaronic priesthood was ministering it was for the High Priest to make the Atonement in the most holy place to their Lord God of their Sinai Covenant. Who was also their Judged and the enforcer of their Covenant. 

He was the other party to their Covenant. The Israelites were the other. 

[Anne2]

I just think it is helpful to reframe our minds that our passover is not just "Jewish". It is "Christian"/Messianic.

The carnal commands (genealogy, circumcision, Abrahams seed, clean and unclean etc.) were disanulled. It is quite common in todays Church to hear people speak of the Seder established by Rabbinic tradition, as if it were the real deal. This is sad and unfortunate to me. They do the same thing with the Gospels. Jesus was a rabbi, his apostles were his talmudim, and reframe everything in a manner that Jesus would never have taught outside of the law. Then they finish that up with the great commission. Go and teach  all people to obey  all I commanded you. Without so much of a thought that the Gospels were the result of that, they cannot think about That the apostolic writing of the gospels were written by his priests, and his authority as their high priest to teach and sentence etc.. Just an example ....Yes, his declaring all foods clean applied authoritatively. But some reframe it to say no, he would not teach sin like that. Am I making any sense here?

Edited May 26, 2022 by Anne2

[Heleadethme]

On 4/14/2022 at 7:00 AM, ~Shalhevet~ said:

When Jesus celebrated Passover with the disciples do you think he meant to replace the annual Passover with weekly holy communion?  Why or why not?  

Just coming into this thread and haven't caught up with what others are saying.

I think it would be good to ask,  Does the new covenant replace the old covenant?  Because Jesus said at Passover that the cup they were drinking was the cup of the new covenant of His shed bloood, and that the bread was his body given for us.

(And He only said "as oft as ye do this"......He didn't specify or command any special day or weekly or annually, etc.)

Passover necessitates the sacrifice of lambs every year, even if you are only using a shank bone.......whereas the Lamb of God has already been sacrificed once and for all and communion is a re-membrance of that.