Interesting passage gives insights into Predestination and Foreknowledge

[kwikphilly]

On 4/30/2022 at 3:08 AM, Sower said:

 

My concern is this statement 

You’ve got to get people lost before you can get them saved"  

And this is why I said that this is a message against and contrary to the truth. 

When the speaker says lost, he wants the people to think that they are lost, as in lost in Hell. 

Assuming the"speaker" you're referring to is myself, then to answer your question, Yes, just like your bible and mine says. If we are not born again and as such a child of God, then we are a child of our father the devil.

Which it is not truth for most of the people

Wrong, YCF. Scripture clearly indicates that many are called but few are chosen.
"Those who try to come without the covering of the blood of Christ for their sins are inadequately clothed and will be sent into “outer darkness,” (v. 13) i.e., hell.
I will repeat again, I do not witness to born again believers to get lost to get saved. That makes no sense. You continue to misrepresent my quote above You’ve got to get people lost before you can get them saved"  that originated by DL Moody.
 

As the slogan says, " you've got to make people lost, to convince them that they are lost in Hell...

They do not preach the truth, which is found in numerous scriptures. 

The scripture clearly states the wages of sin is death!
 

It is wrong to preached the Gospel to people who are born from Christian parents and grew up in Christian communities and have been baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. It is wrong to treat them as unbelievers as people who are Hell bound when they are not. 

None of what you posted above ever saved anyone, no matter where or to whom they were born, nor being baptized. Baptism is an outward proclaiming an inward belief. I was baptized as an infant in the catholic church. Meant absolutely nothing other getting my diapers wet. I was baptized when I was born again 30+ yrs later to joyfully proclaim my new identity as a child of God. Are you catholic? Do you believe baptism saves, and parentage, and raised in Christian communities?

The Gospel is very clear, that a believer in Jesus Christ when he sins is not Lost or Hell Bound. Death cannot come to him, because he is free from his sins. 

He is Heavenly bound because of his faith in Jesus Christ.  

He is robbed and remain robbed with Jesus Christ righteousness. Whether he sins or not. 

  For sure....

It is not truth to tell believers who love the world that they are lost in Hell, Jesus Christ is not Blessing this statement. 

As a matter of fact the Devil has many reasons to be happy about that statement.  

I do not believe that a born again believer can be unborn, or lost. I have never said that, and that must be your confusion.
And again,      "You’ve got to get people lost before you can get them saved"
The purpose of me stating that is to make them, referring to an unbelieving LOST non Christian person, aware that as SCRIPTURE states, if they are not saved, born again, then they are LOST. It is important they know just what they need to be saved for, (which is their sin debt).
The last time I'm going to explain this to you, I DO NOT WITNESS THE GOSPEL TO BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS TO GET THEM SAVED or LOST!!!
I have fellowship with my brothers and sisters in Christ. And I don't get anybody lost, nor COULD I get anybody lost or saved. I can only share the good news and then pray for them. But the full gospel, the GOOD news, is we all have sinned, there is none righteous, and yet while we were still  sinners Jesus died for the payment for our sin debt with His blood sacrifice!
And He said, It is Finished!     

Are you catholic, YCF ?
 

 

 

 

 

Blessings ,Friendnt & I used to talk alot a while back,I'm not sure if we hav e some kind of languageor "jargon" barrier goin g on but he & I used to do alot of " So do you mean xxx when you said yyy or what does that mean etc... I live in Florida & know many French Canadians & many English speaking Canadians & I must say,those of us American  English speaking folk are quite different....maybe I'm way off here but there seems to be a disconnect & it used to happen with Friendnt & I frequen tly but we always figured out the disconnect..... if I'm out of line here either of you please feel free to say so,okay? 

  I'm jumping in because I do believe I understand what Friendnt is saying,if Im wrong then I dont understand-lol

   I didnt know that wzas a quote from Moody either & I thought it was the oddest thing to say when  I read friendnts "warning" ....I'll try to explain why,I actually thought someone was suggesting to get a Believer LOST so that you can Save him....I said"huh,did I misread that?" First off,how does an yone undo someones Salvation to get them lost and for what,to crucify Christ again?

    Could it be that that quote sounds as strange to Friendnt as it did to me.....are we talking about Born Again Believers or people claiming to be Christian & just might not be but think they are.....Im confused Sower,maybe Friendt is too

  My excuse is I dont feel so hot ,I did far too much today & overdid it ....I know I need to heal before I resume normal  activitues but there were exten uating circumstances today,its been a rough day & I'm not the sharpest toolin the box right now...... Friendnt,I dont know if he is misreading something as well but can we sort this out?

                                           With much love-in Chris<kwik