Great tribulation

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Keras said:

You don't see the many Prophesies that show there will be a new Temple.  I realize that a new Temple doesn't suit your beliefs.

In 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Paul does refer to a physical Temple, dedicated to God and is desecrated by a physical man sitting in it and declaring himself to be God. 

It's time to change your beliefs to what the Bible actually says. 

If Paul said a temple made by man is the temple of God then he would be contradicting himself because Paul claimed the temple of God is the church. 

[Keras]

6 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

If Paul said a temple made by man is the temple of God then he would be contradicting himself because Paul claimed the temple of God is the church. 

Paul did say there will be a new physical Temple in Jerusalem, dedicated to God.         2 Thessalonians 2:4    Jesus said it will be desecrated: during the end times.  Matthew 24:15, Daniel 9:27

This Bible truth does not take away the fact of we Christians being the Spiritual Temple of God. Which remains correct, even when a Temple did and will again  exist. 

Your denial of Bible truths, shows extreme bias for a manmade theory. For ideas and fables which will not happen

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, Keras said:

Paul did say there will be a new physical Temple in Jerusalem, dedicated to God.         2 Thessalonians 2:4    Jesus said it will be desecrated: during the end times.  Matthew 24:15, Daniel 9:27

This Bible truth does not take away the fact of we Christians being the Spiritual Temple of God. Which remains correct, even when a Temple did and will again  exist. 

Your denial of Bible truths, shows extreme bias for a manmade theory. For ideas and fables which will not happen

If you say God dwells in temples made with human hands then that's your belief. You can believe that is the temple of God. I refuse to believe God dwells in temples made by human hands. 

https://biblehub.com/acts/7-48.htm

 

As for the abomination of desolation. After our armed forces place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem and all of Jerusalem is destroyed by it. And the cloud rises in the heavens like a scroll being rolled together. Maybe then you will admit you were wrong. By that time the Lord will be standing in Jerusalem. 

 

 

Edited May 3, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Keras]

10 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

If you say God dwells in temples made with human hands then that's your belief. You can believe that is the temple of God. I refuse to believe God dwells in temples made by human hands. 

God did dwell in Solomon's Temple.  1 Kings 8:10-11

He will again dwell in the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-5

10 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

As for the abomination of desolation. After our armed forces place the abomination of desolation in Jerusalem and all of Jerusalem is destroyed by it. And the cloud rises in the heavens like a scroll being rolled together. Maybe then you will admit you were wrong. By that time the Lord will be standing in Jerusalem. 

Sheer unsupported speculation.  It will be the leader of the One World Govt, who sits in the Temple and declares himself to be God.   2 Thess 2:4

The scroll; as described in Isaiah 2:4 and Revelation 6:14, is a departing; the pushing aside of our atmosphere. Only at the part of the world facing the sun.     Exactly what a massive explosion on the suns surface will cause. Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 30:26-30, +

[Shilohsfoal]

3 hours ago, Keras said:

God did dwell in Solomon's Temple.  1 Kings 8:10-11

He will again dwell in the new Temple. Ezekiel 43:1-5

Sheer unsupported speculation.  It will be the leader of the One World Govt, who sits in the Temple and declares himself to be God.   2 Thess 2:4

The scroll; as described in Isaiah 2:4 and Revelation 6:14, is a departing; the pushing aside of our atmosphere. Only at the part of the world facing the sun.     Exactly what a massive explosion on the suns surface will cause. Psalms 50:1-3, Malachi 4:1, Isaiah 30:26-30, +

 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-31.htm

You say Daniels words concerning the abomination of desolation are unsupported speculation? 

Daniel states it is the ARMED FORCES  who place the abomination that causes desolation. 

I want you to try to use common sense here. The ARMED FORCES are not going to send man to Jerusalem to claim to be God to cause desolation. They will use thier best weapon to cause the desolation of Jerusalem. 

The ARMED FORCES don't play around like your saying. The only thing a man claiming to be God will cause is laughter. At best he will be placed in a rubber room so he won't hurt himself. 

The ARMED FORCES don't do stupid - - - - like that. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-44.htm

You don't annihilate many people by claiming to be God. You use the abomination that causes desolation. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Keras]

11 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Daniel states it is the ARMED FORCES  who place the abomination that causes desolation. 

Daniel 11:31 Soldiers in his command, [the Anti-Christ leader] will take over the sanctuary and will abolish the regular offering. They will prepare the setting up of the AoD.    Which as we know from 2 Thess 2:4, will be a man sitting in the holy place, declaring himself to be God. 

Can you not admit you are wrong about God being in a man made Temple? 

You are also wrong about a nuke in the holy Land. That cannot happen. Hosea 2:18

[Shilohsfoal]

12 minutes ago, Keras said:

Daniel 11:31 Soldiers in his command, [the Anti-Christ leader] will take over the sanctuary and will abolish the regular offering. They will prepare the setting up of the AoD.    Which as we know from 2 Thess 2:4, will be a man sitting in the holy place, declaring himself to be God. 

Can you not admit you are wrong about God being in a man made Temple? 

You are also wrong about a nuke in the holy Land. That cannot happen. Hosea 2:18

I'm not wrong. Your timing is even off by 3 1/2 years. 

 

You believe everyone in Judea is fleeing for the mountains while the king of the north is flattering the Israelis here in this verse. 

https://biblehub.com/niv/daniel/11-32.htm

When in fact the abomination of desolation is not placed in Jerusalem till here 3 1/2 years later when he wants to kill millions of people. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/11-44.htm

You don't kill millions of people by claiming to be God. It doesn't work. 

[Keras]

3 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I'm not wrong. Your timing is even off by 3 1/2 years. 

You are wrong to deny a new Temple and God's Shekinah Glory residing in it. 

My understanding of the timing of the final 7 years of this age, is the world leader will come to Israel; by then a Christian nation in all of the holy Land and make a 7 year treaty of peace.  That treaty will hold for the first half, but then that leader, by now revealed as the 'beast'; the Anti-Christ, will conquer Israel and perpetrate the AoD in the new Temple. 

This commences the Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, lasting 1260 days; then Jesus will Return. 

[Shilohsfoal]

6 hours ago, Keras said:

You are wrong to deny a new Temple and God's Shekinah Glory residing in it. 

My understanding of the timing of the final 7 years of this age, is the world leader will come to Israel; by then a Christian nation in all of the holy Land and make a 7 year treaty of peace.  That treaty will hold for the first half, but then that leader, by now revealed as the 'beast'; the Anti-Christ, will conquer Israel and perpetrate the AoD in the new Temple. 

This commences the Great Trib of the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls, lasting 1260 days; then Jesus will Return. 

The Gentiles only occupy israel for 42 months. Not 7 years. 

https://biblehub.com/revelation/11-2.htm

This coresponds to Daniel who said the armed forces will place the abomination of desolation 1290 days after those armed forces abolish the daily sacrifice which they do at the beginning of the occupation. 

https://biblehub.com/daniel/12-11.htm

That would put the abomination being placed in Jerusalem at the end of Daniel 11.exactly when Jesus said it would take place. 

Your problem is you pay no attention to the two people in the Bible who mention the abomination of desolation (Jesus and Daniel) and you pin your entire belief on a man (Paul) who never mentioned the abomination of desolation. 

Im trying to get you to use common sense since you won't listen to Jesus and Daniel. 

The armed forces are not going to place a man in Jerusalem claiming to be God to kill millions of people. A man claiming to be God will not cause desolation nor will it harm anyone. No one would flee to the mountains for thier lives because a man claims to be God. They would put that man in a safe place so he wouldn't hurt himself. 

Edited May 4, 2022 by Shilohsfoal

[Keras]

   Daniel 9:24 Seventy sevens are decreed for your people and your holy city – to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness, to bring in everlasting righteousness, vision and prophecy ratified and the Most Holy place anointed.

Daniel 9:25-27 Know and understand this: From the issuing of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Anointed One, the ruler comes – there will be seven sevens and sixty two sevens. It will be rebuilt with streets and drains, but in troubled times. After the 62 sevens, the Anointed One will be cut off and will have nothing. The people of the ruler who will come, will destroy the city and sanctuary.   The end will come like a flood. War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with the many for one ‘seven’. In the middle of the seven, he will put an end to the sacrifice and offering. In the Temple, he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out upon him.                                        

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Verse 24 - The Angel Gabriel’s message for the end of this age:            

1/To complete and finalize the transgressions of the wicked peoples.[Time of the Gentiles]

2/ To make an end to disobedience against God. [Punishment of His enemies]

3/ To make reconciliation for iniquity.  [Forgiveness for His people]

4/ To usher in the age of Righteousness.  [The Christians– ‘a light to the nations’]

5/ To fulfil prophesy. [The promises to the Patriarchs and to Israel]

6/ To sanctify the Temple. [The Third Temple, built by the people of New Israel]

 

Verse 25: 70 times 7 = 490 years. The first 7 ‘weeks’ = 49 years, starts from the commandment to rebuild Jerusalem in the 20th year of the reign of Artaxerxes. This was in 445BC. Jerusalem’s walls and streets were rebuilt ‘even in troublous times’.  As Nehemiah and Ezra describe.

Verse 26 Then another 62 ‘weeks’ = 434 years, plus the 49, makes a total of 483 prophetic years until ‘Messiah, the Prince, is cut off’.

‘There shall be nothing for Him’, means that at that time He did not receive the Millennium Kingdom. ‘The people of the ruler to come, will destroy Jerusalem, including the Temple’, refers to the Roman destruction in 69/70AD. This gives us the clue to the origin of the Anti Christ, who will lead a restored Roman Empire.

Then, there has been a gap of nearly 2000 years, till the present day.

The end period; the 70th of the 7 ‘weeks’ = 7 years will be made up of 2 periods of 1260 days each. It will be the closing time of this age, ‘the end shall be with a flood’. Flood is better translated as – an overflowing; of troubles.   2 Thessalonians 2:8

Verse 27 The Anti Christ will make a 7 year treaty with the ‘many’. That is, the holy people of God: every born again Christian, living in their own Land. There will be a faithful group who will oppose this agreement, so this treaty is made with many, but not all of His people, the Christian Israelites of God. Daniel 11:32, Isaiah 28:14-15.

The Anti-Christ will break this after 1260 days, which will commence the Great Tribulation.  He sets up his own image in the Temple, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, then after the final 1260 days, he will meet his end.  Daniel 11:45, Revelation 19:20.

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