The cost of living

[Starise]

9 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I admire the women's modesty. You don't always see that in the Englishers. They sometimes are allowed a cell phone for business. The furniture they make is very quality but very expensive. The women also make beautiful quilts that they sell but they are also very expensive. 

Some of that is all for show. My wife drove two Amish girls to the shore for holiday. When they get to their motel room, they change into English clothes and go to the beach. Much of that appearance is mandated by the bishops and a part of their rules. IOW if many of them were not required to dress that way, they wouldn't.

I'm not insinuating Amish girls are loose. They are mannerly and well behaved, the ones I know. Some of them love to get out of those clothes and into English clothes if they can do it without getting caught.

[walla299]

1 hour ago, Starise said:

I'm not insinuating Amish girls are loose. They are mannerly and well behaved, the ones I know. Some of them love to get out of those clothes and into English clothes if they can do it without getting caught.

This reminds me of what Paul said about law (rules) only working on the outside of us and not changing the heart. Only Jesus can change a heart. 

I'm not implying anyone is loose or any of that, but that line reminded me of how law does nothing to change our hearts - but it does drive us to the Savior.

[Starise]

10 hours ago, walla299 said:

This reminds me of what Paul said about law (rules) only working on the outside of us and not changing the heart. Only Jesus can change a heart. 

I'm not implying anyone is loose or any of that, but that line reminded me of how law does nothing to change our hearts - but it does drive us to the Savior.

This is the real danger in any system where a person is born into it. I know of several very good Christian Amish men. I drove one of them to work today   Not all of them are believers though. I don't know how much salvation is really stressed in the Amish community. Since there are districts controlled by different bishops, I imagine it's different for different areas. I live next to a bishop.

If a person thinks they are doing God's will by being Amish, salvation could be something they haven't grasped. A percentage of Amish are only Amish because they don't want to be shunned. Most of them want to stay in the system. Others have run away from the Amish, married English and are shunned. They put a LOT of emphasis on outward appearance. When they go into a normal setting people often stare. The same things that happen in English families happen in Amish families, but it is swept under the table. They are human just like the rest of us.

.....anyways this is way off topic. Maybe the lessons from the Amish to us as believers is community can make us stronger. Close christian community is most often seen in church....so if you don't attend a body of believers, GO TO CHURCH if you can

Edited May 3, 2022 by Starise

[missmuffet]

14 hours ago, Starise said:

Some of that is all for show. My wife drove two Amish girls to the shore for holiday. When they get to their motel room, they change into English clothes and go to the beach. Much of that appearance is mandated by the bishops and a part of their rules. IOW if many of them were not required to dress that way, they wouldn't.

I'm not insinuating Amish girls are loose. They are mannerly and well behaved, the ones I know. Some of them love to get out of those clothes and into English clothes if they can do it without getting caught.

When the Amish males and females turn 16 they go through what is called rumspringa. It is when they can have a taste of the english world. To test them and see if they really want to be amish. I believe it ends at 21. Some of the amish youth have left the amish community because of that. If they then feel committed the the amish way of life they will be baptized and then they can't go back. If they leave they will be shunned. 

[The_Patriot21]

All depends...believe it or not someone can live on min. Wage in most places in the US right now.

What theyre not going to have in doing so is new cars and the latest and greatest, and raising a family would be difficult.

I will say this if i was single i could easily make it at around 10 bucks an hour, and have money to spare, still have a nice but used pickup and a few "toys" to keep me busy. 

Now i have kids...so my expenses are far higher. But im still getting by. A big part of it is i dont have the debt so many Americans seem to be adicted to. I dont have car payments, or credit card payments, nor the latest and greatest of everything. I still have nice stuff but ive learned to prioritize, save, and deal shop.

America does have an inflation problem....but the reality of it is the inflation is a symptom of a bigger problem-its spending problem. Americans all the way from the poor all the way to the government has a spending problem.

 

[Starise]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

When the Amish males and females turn 16 they go through what is called rumspringa. It is when they can have a taste of the english world. To test them and see if they really want to be amish. I believe it ends at 21. Some of the amish youth have left the amish community because of that. If they then feel committed the the amish way of life they will be baptized and then they can't go back. If they leave they will be shunned. 

Thanks. I was aware of this, but they leave at other times too. There was an Amish man who walked the roads about 10 miles away. He was an alcoholic and would walk the roads soused. This is the exception rather than the rule but these things happen.

Just dressed up human beings in a cult if you strip it down. We maybe could say a strict sect or community. It sounds less harsh. 

[The_Patriot21]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

When the Amish males and females turn 16 they go through what is called rumspringa. It is when they can have a taste of the english world. To test them and see if they really want to be amish. I believe it ends at 21. Some of the amish youth have left the amish community because of that. If they then feel committed the the amish way of life they will be baptized and then they can't go back. If they leave they will be shunned. 

Actually by amish law rumspringa can last as long or as short as the person wants. They can be on rumspringa for 40 years before returning. The family just assumes they arnt ready for the amish life. But when they do come back (if they do) they have to be baptised and give up all the worldly things and dedicate themselves to the amish way of life.

Traditionally it only lasts a few years but, at least with most amish communities theres no set time they have to do it. It can be 2 weeks 3 years or even never come back. The entire point is for them to decide its what they want and not what their parents want. Its actually not a bad system if you ask me.

[missmuffet]

1 hour ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Actually by amish law rumspringa can last as long or as short as the person wants. They can be on rumspringa for 40 years before returning. The family just assumes they arnt ready for the amish life. But when they do come back (if they do) they have to be baptised and give up all the worldly things and dedicate themselves to the amish way of life.

Traditionally it only lasts a few years but, at least with most amish communities theres no set time they have to do it. It can be 2 weeks 3 years or even never come back. The entire point is for them to decide its what they want and not what their parents want. Its actually not a bad system if you ask me.

Isn't that what I said?

[missmuffet]

2 hours ago, Starise said:

Thanks. I was aware of this, but they leave at other times too. There was an Amish man who walked the roads about 10 miles away. He was an alcoholic and would walk the roads soused. This is the exception rather than the rule but these things happen.

Just dressed up human beings in a cult if you strip it down. We maybe could say a strict sect or community. It sounds less harsh. 

They are human. They have the same problems with the flesh that everyone else has. 

[The_Patriot21]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Isn't that what I said?

You said 21