Resurrection of the Just and the Unjust Happens At The Second Coming

[DeighAnn]

9 minutes ago, Sister said:

Jesus forgave the guy on the cross didn't he?

He came to faith.  And He said TODAY you will, not in a couple thousand years

[Sister]

36 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Did He change all that for you?  or did it all remain the same?  

 

20 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

These are all WORDS with no meaning if we don't understand He came to fulfill THE PROPHECIES written of Him in the law and the prophets,  and to show us that it was possible to walk perfectly under the LAW.  
They couldn't walk perfectly under the Law because they didn't have the Holy Spirit.  It really shouldn't be that much of an issue for us WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT, should it?  

 

 

The law was changing.  Christ was bringing in change. Wasn't Jesus being constantly accused for breaking the law?

Ask yourself did Christ come to preach the Old Law or the New?

 

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So why aren't you accepting the invitation to come into the new kingdom, the spiritual one?  Why are you going to be with the dead and waiting to come out of death WHEN THEY DO, to continue on with living,  when you could just drop off the earth bod and continue on in the heavenly bod?   I don't get it.  Everything is there and waiting.  

NO SIN means NO DEATH.  BUT you still take about dying.  Your equation reads

 

I don't get to make the rules.  If you understand death....when your heart stops beating and that in the grave you do not even know you are dead, because time stands still, then it should not bother you -the thought of dying.

Death is like blinking your eyes.  No time would of gone by in the grave.  If you are in that resurrection it will feel like the next blink, and your there with Christ...even if 2000 years has gone by.

Or I can say it like this....you nod off.  You wake.  You don't even remember falling asleep.  All you remember is that you were watching t.v. on the couch.

or....

You go to bed.  Your so tired.  Extremely tired.  You set your alarm to get up for work in the morning.  The alarm goes off, you feel like you just fell asleep even though 8 hours has passed.  Time flew by and you were totally unaware.

 

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NO SIN (washed clean) means death for awhile FOLLOWED BY life.  Which is no different than being resurrected on the last day.  Or is it different somehow that I am not getting?  Sleep/death,  waiting for His return ISN'T what I read.  That is all so different than no death, follow after, go to be where He is.  

How is me believing EXACTLY what is written WRONG and you not believing EXACTLY what is written RIGHT?   

You asked me remember.  I didn't ask you what you believed.  You can believe what you want, speak to me however you like and it wont change a thing.  I will still believe what I'm telling you whether I tell you or not.

 

[Sister]

23 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

so the graves weren't opened?  He didn't descend and lead the captivity...

 

That's not the captivity he's talking about...being dead.  The dead can't do anything.  It's the living that hear about Christ that he wants to bring out of captivity.

The captivity of being under the devil. Doing evil.  Being bound by sin. 

The captivity of this world, full of lies, being deceived. 

The captivity of darkness, not knowing truth or even knowing the difference between good and evil. 

The captivity of having a wicked king, where all he wants to do is destroy you.  

The captivity of no hope, no God, no Saviour, no life after death. 

The captivity of no help, no sanctuary, no truth, no light.

That type of captivity is the one Christ wanted to lead us out of.... and lead us into the light of the kingdom of God where there is truth, comfort, protection, honour and a great change of heart.

 

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We will have to agree to disagree.  I am not going against what is written because you tell me it hasn't happened yet

Ok, we disagree then.

[Sister]

54 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

NO SIN means NO DEATH.  BUT you still take about dying.  Your equation reads

NO SIN (washed clean) means death for awhile FOLLOWED BY life.  Which is no different than being resurrected on the last day.  Or is it different somehow that I am not getting?  Sleep/death,  waiting for His return ISN'T what I read.  That is all so different than no death, follow after, go to be where He is.  

You lost me there.  Can you quote what I said?

[Sister]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

And there is no such thing as HEAVEN? 

I never said such a thing.  Of course there is heaven.

[Sister]

42 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

SO DO THE UNJUST

And who is the unjust?

There will be plenty who erred in the spirit.  They will need to be re-taught. 

All will be resurrected to spirit, but just as the stars have their different brightness, so will the saints.  Some produced heaps of good fruits, and some not so much, others very little. Plenty of different vessels. Some of gold, silver, wood, some of earth. Some are going to be kings and priests, but not all.  Many will be lead to living fountains of waters (the holy spirit) because they were lacking.

 

 

 

[DeighAnn]

5 minutes ago, Sister said:

So you must see this as when you die, you don't really die, you go straight to heaven then?  Is that what you believe?

Yes and again, these are the words that make me believe this way

 

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

 

 

John 13:33 Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you.

John 13:34 A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

John 13:35 By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

John 13:36 Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.

John 13:37 Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake.

John 13:38 Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

John 14:1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you UNTO MYSELF that where I am, there ye may be also.

Not sending angels to gather the elect from the four winds nor from one end of heaven (HOW DID THEY GET THERE?) to the other. 

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

Why would we need to know the way if HE WAS COMING BACK TO RESURRECT US?
 

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.



 

John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

John 14:19 Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

The unsaved won't see him UNTIL He returns.  BUT AS HE LIVES ON so will we. 

John 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.


 The day we LEAVE this world and go to Him we see Him in HIS GLORY IN HEAVEN, something ELSE those who have not been saved will NEVER get to do. 


 

John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; thatthey may be one, even as we are one:

John 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

John 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, BE WITH ME WHERE I AM THAT THEY MAY BEHOLD MY GLORY , which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

[DeighAnn]

30 minutes ago, Sister said:

You lost me there.  Can you quote what I said?

I don't know where I lost you.  So I can't quote what you said.  Before I have gotten through one post you have posted another so then the conversation gets lost.  Who knows maybe I do that also. 

 

30 minutes ago, Sister said:

I never said such a thing.  Of course there is heaven.

That would be Retro. 

[Sister]

1 hour ago, DeighAnn said:

Yes and again, these are the words that make me believe this way

 

John 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in Me, though he were dead, yet shall he live

John 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in Me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Yes, but you can't just take it out of it's context.

John 11:21   Then said Martha unto Jesus, Lord, if thou hadst been here, my brother had not died.

John 11:22   But I know, that even now, whatsoever thou wilt ask of God, God will give it thee.

John 11:23   Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.

John 11:24   Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 11:25   Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:

John 11:26   And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

John 11:27   She saith unto him, Yea, Lord: I believe that thou art the Christ, the Son of God, which should come into the world.

Read it again.  Lazarus believed in Jesus.  Lazarus just died. Martha is freaking out saying if Jesus had been there her brother would of not died.  Jesus told her that her brother shall rise again.  She must of remembered something she learned earlier, about the resurrection on the last day....thinking Jesus was speaking about that.  Jesus elaborated......reassuring her that he is the resurrection, and the life, and that whoever believeth in him, though he were dead, yet shall he live.

Look at the scenario...her brother just died.  Jesus is telling her ...it doesn't matter if one dies or is dead, he shall still live.  He is actually telling us all, don't worry about death, it's not the end, if your gonna believe in me, you're all going to live again.  That's the deeper layer he was speaking of.  He was speaking truth.  It's all going to happen when he returns.  That's when the resurrection is going to take place, at the 7th trump.  There's only one resurrection at his return and all in Christ will be raised at the same time.  There's not a million different individual resurrections, or spirits going to heaven, just the one resurrection coming, the first one.  It's the big day we are promised!  The day when the dead have conquered death because they will live again, forever, and the living will be quickened.  All changed together at the same time.  A magnificent event.

It all has to happen in order.  It's an orderly event.  A spirit needs a vehicle to operate through.  At the moment our spirit is in our flesh body.  When we die that vehicle is gone, and the spirit is dormant, no lights on, no power, no energy.  It can't do anything without a body, but is ' preserved' to be turned back on at a certain point in time.  And a new body it will be given to operate through.   A body made of a higher material - spirit, which can do so much more than the flesh can do.

 

 

 

 

[Sister]

3 hours ago, DeighAnn said:

John 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you UNTO MYSELF that where I am, there ye may be also.
 

Everything was worked out by God in the beginning.  The whole plan beginning to end.

The kingdom of God was already made since the beginning.  What Jesus spoke about already existed, but he had a job to complete in order to give us entrance.  He had to die first and be raised from the dead on the 3rd day.  So that 'preparing' was his death and resurrection to come so that we could have' a place' in his kingdom. 

And the many mansions simply just means that there's different levels in the kingdom.  You got the 24 elders, the 12 apostles, the 144,000, you got the different vessels of gold, silver, wood, earth.  You got everyone there with their different brightness.  This kingdom is going to be so organised.  You need Christ to lead the 24 elders, to lead the 12 apostles, to lead the 144,000 to lead the others, and so it goes to lead Israel in the flesh, and the nations.  You need the kings, the priests, everyone of different rank, and each one, all busy with their jobs according to their placements. 

So if we follow the path he set out for us we get 'a place' in the kingdom.  He was preparing that 'place' for he hadn't died yet when he said that.  And after that we have to be taught first don't we?  We have to listen and go his way, not our own way.

And with what body it is raised is not all equal.  All will be spirit, but not all will have the same brightness. That brightness depends on what we do now, how much we listen and invest, obey, love, ....how much fruit we produce it's all going to matter.

 

 

 

 

 

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Not sending angels to gather the elect from the four winds nor from one end of heaven (HOW DID THEY GET THERE?) to the other. 

John 14:4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

John 14:5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?

Why would we need to know the way if HE WAS COMING BACK TO RESURRECT US?
 

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

 

Why would we need to know the way if he was coming back to resurrect us?

Because the only way to get there is through the truth, through the Word of God, not through someone else's word, but by God's Word only.

 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Sister