Those Who Are Convinced Christ Will Return In Their Lifetime

[B-B]

3 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Well, Jesus told us our rewards would be passed out in  heaven, if you discount 1/3 of the bible you can't really teach on it, thus how can you gain rewards for that which you refuse to teach? Its like a worker who wants to work 30 hours a week instead of 40 (USA) or half a year instead of a full year, of course his "rewards" or salary in this instance, is going to reflect that. I think Jesus told us that, its an obvious factoid, there will be many who Jesus simply tells them to go I never knew you, I never presume anyone's total faith, that's between God and them, God tells us that is His alone to judge, but Jesus did say that there would be rewards in heaven.

I really do not understand why many people discount 1/3 of the bible, in our lifetimes Prophecy is very, very important. Now some are not called to prophecy, granted, but no one should just ignore it either. So, let me put the fuller QUOTE Below (Context matters).

""as a Christian you will make heaven, but I am afraid your rewards will not be what they could have been.""

If we discount 1/3 of the bible and just refuse to teach it, we lose chances to save souls, many of my converts will probably be after the Rapture, once they see that I diagramed a step by step understanding of what was going to happen, years before it happened. So, my rewards will increase. NOTICE: you left off context, rewards will not be what it could be, for all I know his rewards may be twice as much as mine, 5 times or 10 times, that's OK, but by choosing not to try and reach people via the Prophetic Utterings, is leaving rewards on the tabe.

So, if a man making 200,000 a year choses to work half a year and make 100,000 he leaves some on the table BUT still makes more than a guy making 50,000 a year. So, no one ASSUMES his rewards, that is God's alone also, but not teaching a 1/3 of the bible means he going to leave some rewards on the table it seems.

Thank you for your response @Revelation Man 😊

The Scriptures below came to mind re: our labour for the Lord, and it's subsequent assessment.

 

5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? 6 I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. 

7 So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. 8 Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor.

9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

1 Corinthians 3

Verse 7 & 8 especially stood out. The Lord gives each of us work to do, and one person's work for the Lord may be entirely different to another persons. (However, it is always the Lord who gives the increase, therefore all the glory is attributed to Him).

Whether our work is approved by the Lord or not, well, only on that Day, will it be revealed.

Personally, I would not have done as you have done, which is to make assumptions about another Brothers expected rewards. 

God bless

[B-B]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Here is his first paragraph.

""I periodically encounter Christians who are convinced Christ will return in their lifetime. That's OK as long as they don't give me an earbashing on the subject. Those who do emphatically advise me that Christ will return in their lifetime usually do so with a list of reasons and an earnest expectation that tends to to mark them as somewhat intense, even fanatical, in my estimation.""

So, in other words we can see above he kind of sees people who profess Jesus will return soon, by declaring the lists of reasons as intense or "FANATICAL" because they put forth this understanding, even though in Matt. 24:32-35 Jesus tells us emphatically we can know "THE SEASON" of his return by LOOKING at al the signs. 

Thank you for your response @Revelation Man 😊

....well, I think you might of made a bit of an error here?

You quite rightly quote @Michael37 , where he refers to Believers who believe that the Lord will return in their lifetime....

however, you then go on to interpret his meaning, as referring to those Believers who believe that  the Lord will be returning soon.

The two are quite different, in my opinion.

Edited May 18, 2022 by B-B

[Revelation Man]

On 5/18/2022 at 1:02 PM, B-B said:

Personally, I would not have done as you have done, which is to make assumptions about another Brothers expected rewards. 

Again, as I perfectly explained, I made no assumption about his overall rewards, just that by not recognizing 1/3 of the bible he's limiting his effects via the Harvest, likewise if all I ever spoke t0 people about End Time Eschatology I would be limiting my effectiveness. I mostly only speak about End Time Eschatology to those already in Christ tbh, to newbies/targets of hopeful conversions not in Christ the blood and Jesus taking away their sins is much more important.

On 5/18/2022 at 1:37 PM, B-B said:

You quite rightly quote @Michael37 , where he refers to Believers who believe that the Lord will return in their lifetime....

however, you then go on to interpret his meaning, as referring to those Believers who believe that  the Lord will be returning soon.

The two are quite different, in my opinion.

This is semantics sister, we saw the context for ourselves. In MY LIFETIME will be soon. Its just semantics. I do DEEP DIVES on both the Hebrew a Greek root words, thus I get better conclusions than the average guy on lots of things in Eschatology that's much more important, we have to be precise.

For instance, John did not say Jesus was going to return SHORTLY. That is a misconception via a bad translation or a word morphing somewhat. 

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The two Greeks words here use to say "shortly" are EN & TACHOS. The first denotes a fixed position in place, time or state and the second Greek word TACHOS is where we get the English word Tachometer from. Its definitions are as follows in Strong's and Thayer's.

5034 Tachos

1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, it never meant SHORTLY as we knew it, the Old English word shortly was referring to at THAT TIME (EN) how Jesus would return, in a SHORT BURST of time, (SHORTLY), or a better translation would have been, in my opinion, IN HASTE, or QICKLY,  or SPEEDILY. But at that time SHORTLY meant the exact same thing so the KJV translators used that word. So, at a future point in TIME (EN) Jesus will return in a short time frame, as in God moves quickly, in haste, speedily, and when Jesus is told he will ZOOM (Tachos) to earth and do away with the Anti-Christ and all his evil minions. 

But, I know people who actually have created major Eschatological Branches of teaching saying that this means Jesus was referring to 70 AD, and we are now living in the Kingdom age now (Preterism) or better yet, some say this means the Seals have all been opened except the 6th Seal, and the Martyrs under the Altar are those who died during the Church Age period. A few people even insist almost all of Revelation has been fulfilled, all because, in many cases, ONE WORD stumps them, or leads them down a Rabbit Hole of mega proportions. 

Nonetheless, I think the O.P. was pretty clear, he's using the old line Peter spoke about when referring to Jesus' coming, though of course he doesn't discount his coming, he is basically agreeing with them saying we can't really tell when he is coming for us, but we can indeed tell. We know the Gospel must go unto the ends of the earth. So, I destroyed that thesis 2 or 3 times, but no one wants to challenge that,  because they cant, I know my calling and I am up to the challenge, its my job, I should be, and I am. Of course Jesus is coming in my lifetime. I knew that WAY BEFORE I could actually explain it in scriptures (via much prayer and study) as I can now by way of Divine Revelation, when God gives you a vision, and in the Vision a loud booming voice from Heaven tells you, "The Man of Sin is Here" that is all I needed to know, BUT.........as messengers of God we need to show it in scriptures, and I can nail that 7 days week 365 days a year. So, the former Vision gave me my calling long ago, the hard work and prayer gave me my ultimate understandings. At 23 while most were out doing things young guys do I was in prayer in my room all night on Friday and Sat.

By the way, God gave me another vision to AFFIRM His first vision was true to me, because He knew it would take over 30 years to all start coming to pass. So, in the mid 80s I was shown Jimmy Swaggart preaching in a HUGE AUDITORIUM tom literally no one, within 2 weeks had fallen from grace with a Prostitute. God was like kicking me, saying, SEE, SEE, SEE, I know all things, NEVER doubt my vision I gave you. And I never have. 

God Bless

Edited May 20, 2022 by Revelation Man

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On 5/17/2022 at 2:38 PM, Revelation Man said:

This is my point brother, I can see you have much knowledge, but you conflate the timing, God has gifted me with insight on the timing, its not of me, I am nothing special, but I am like a dog on a bone, I refused to stop bugging God until I got the answers lol. I am like the short, slow white Wide Receiver who catches more balls because I outwork others in practice.

Anyway, I do not say Jesus is Michael at all, there are two Angels with the Man in Linen, no Angel has the right to SWEAR by God Almighty in Heaven, that is Jesus Christ, Gabriel and Michael were the two Angels with him on either side. Michael will stand up to Protect Israel for God in Rev. 12, when the Woman (Israel) flees into the Wilderness. 

The Resurrection of the Jews happen at the very end, after the Second Coming, the Rapture and Resurrection of the Church happens at the time of the End of the Gentiles, just before the 70th week starts. 

No, you miss it, the reason both Greece and Rome were overlapping Beasts is because the Anti-Christ comes out of BOTH Kingdoms at once. He also has to have Assyrian blood via Isaiah chapter 10. So, Rome and Greece overlaps, we indeed get the Lineage of the Anti-Christ in Dan. 11, all the way through verse 34, because Antiochus is the TYPE Anti-Christ in verses 21-34 (35 is a TRANSITION verse that covers the Church Age). 

So, in Dan. 8:9 we are told he has to be born in Greece via the DIRECTION he conquers TOWARDS, the East, South, and Israel, which means in a simple four way directional box he can only come forth from or Conquer from the Northwest corridor or Greece. Next, he has to Rule from the old Fourth Beast via the 10 Kings (its not 10, that number means COMPLETION, thus the 10 simply represents ALL Europe reunited...or the E.U.) thus Greece being in the E.U. whilst Turkey nor Egypt is pretty much settles the issue, God also says he has to have  Assyrian blood (Turkey, Iraq and Syria made up Old Assyria, people living on the Turkey and Greece border have been migrating back and forth for eons, so he is a Turk, whose parents or grandparents migrated to Greece where he was then born, thus by being a Grecian, he is eligible to be the E.U. President. Thus he can come out of Greece (Dan. 8:9) AND rule as the E.U. President (Dan. 7:7-8), WHILST having Turkish blood (Isaiah 10).

Both were probably TYPES, never thought much about Cesar being the TYPE but I know Antiochus was the type, the reason I point to Greece and Antiochus more so than Cesar and Rome is because Antiochus murdered 60,000 Jews strictly because they worshiped God, he also sacrificed a pig on the Altar of God, he had a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed and placed his brother whose name was Jason (real name Yeshua) into the seat of the High Priest of Israel, and Jason believed in Hellenization, he tried to mandate all the Jews become Hellenized, leading to the Maccabean Revolt as seen in Dan. 11:32-34, so with Antiochus we had both TYPES living at the exact same time, Antiochus & Jason (the False Prophet TYPE) and we hade the AoD TYPE also, so Antiochus is really the only type Anti-Christ I have ever looked deeply into, he fits all the parameters brother. But I don't deny there are other types, just that Antiochus is the MAIN ONE.  The last type needed in reality Cesar cant fit perfectly because he was not Grecian. 

No it is not, I gave you reasons and parameters why this can't be true brother, the greatest ever troubles can not be any time prior to World War 2 because 6 million Jews were killed. 

Well, all time is TRIBULATION as Jesus stated in John 16:33. But there is but one GREATEST EVERT TRIB, and that is what Dan. 12:1-2 is speaking of. 

The Greatest ever troubles happens after the Rapture, during the end time 70th week. Hitler was not the Anti-Christ, he must be a Greek by birth. And Israel has to be in the land at that time, no Beast can come forth until the Church is Raptured, we (the Church) DELIVERED the Mortal Wound to the 7 Headed Beast System, only when the Anti-Christ comes forth will the Beast reemerge. By our blood (Church) we turned Rome from a Beast to a Conveyor Belt of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, Amen. Jesus said the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church !!

Nope, the 69 weeks are passed, then God made Israel as dead men's bones, he revived them and they now await (unknowingly) the time of the Gentiles to be finished (Church Age), then they will have 7 years to Repent, but we can see that they repent just before the Middle of the Week as Zechariah 13:8-9 shows us. 1/3 or 3-5 million Jews repent, but 2/3 refuse to repent and will perish/be cut-off. Then in the very next verse in Zechariah 14:1 we are told BEHOLD the Day of the Lord has come/arrived !! So, the Jews repent just before the Middle of the week 1260 Event, during the 70th week.

THINK NOW, I see you are hip on all of the Daniel statues etc. etc. But you fail to allow God to tell the story like He wants to. Do me a favor, try this. TAKE OUT THE CHURCH AGE COMPLETELY !!

Now there is no Church Age (Time of the Gentiles) !! Do the Statues fit together perfectly now? SMILE !! Do the Beasts fit Perfectly now? Remember, we are dealing with an all knowing perfect God. He can tell two stories at once and intermingle them together. We can know these things but the world seeing can't comprehend these things. It is His way.

Which is NOW.

The SACTTERING is not a 1260 year thing, its a 1260 day Event brother. It happens during the 70th week. God says Israel were DEAD so how can a DEAD ENTITY be SCATTERED? 

Cesar was not the Anti-Christ brother.

Rome was the Fourth Beast but the Mortal Wound hit Rome.

The Time of the Gentiles is 70 AD until the Rapture.

God Bless.

So where are we now on the Dan.2 statue timeline? Before the toes, after the toes, or when?

[Michael37]

18 hours ago, Omegaman 3.0 said:

My question, regarding the title of the OP:

Which ever way we think about it,  what are we doing in response to what we believe?

These Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth still apply, but my discernment of those who exploit the masses by disingenuously mixing rhetoric with Scripture is that they suffer from delusions. 

Luk 21:34-36  "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.  (35)  For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.  (36)  Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
 

[teddyv]

2 hours ago, abcdef said:

So where are we now on the Dan.2 statue timeline? Before the toes, after the toes, or when?

The toejam between the toes?

[abcdef]

9 hours ago, Michael37 said:

These Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth still apply, but my discernment of those who exploit the masses by disingenuously mixing rhetoric with Scripture is that they suffer from delusions. 

 

 

9 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Luk 21:34-36  "But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly.

The day that Jesus was speaking about was the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem.

 

9 hours ago, Michael37 said:

 (35)  For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth.  (36)  Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man."
 

The face of the whole earth is the earth of the people of Israel and not the planet.

Lk 21:24

 

[abcdef]

8 hours ago, teddyv said:

The toejam between the toes?

So, ..... You really don't know? Do you care enough to make a real answer?

[B-B]

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Again, as I perfectly explained, I made no assumption about his overall rewards, just that by not recognizing 1/3 of the bible he's limiting his effects via the Harvest, likewise if all I ever spoke t0 people about End Time Eschatology I would be limiting my effectiveness. I mostly only speak about End Time Eschatology to those already in Christ tbh, to newbies/targets of hopeful conversions not in Christ the blood and Jesus taking away their sins is much more important.

This is semantics sister, we saw the context for ourselves. In MY LIFETIME will be soon. Its just semantics. I do DEEP DIVES on both the Hebrew a Greek root words, thus I get better conclusions than the average guy on lots of things in Eschatology that's much more important, we have to be precise.

For instance, John did not say Jesus was going to return SHORTLY. That is a misconception via a bad translation or a word morphing somewhat. 

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

The two Greeks words here use to say "shortly" are EN & TACHOS. The first denotes a fixed position in place, time or state and the second Greek word TACHOS is where we get the English word Tachometer from. Its definitions are as follows in Strong's and Thayer's.

5034 Tachos

1) quickness, speed
—Thayer's (New Testament Greek-English Lexicon)

From the same as G5036; a brief space (of time), that is, (with G1722 prefixed) in haste:— + quickly, + shortly, + speedily.
—Strong's (Greek Dictionary of the New Testament)

So, it never meant SHORTLY as we knew it, the Old English word shortly was referring to at THAT TIME (EN) how Jesus would return, in a SHORT BURST of time, (SHORTLY), or a better translation would have been, in my opinion, IN HASTE, or QICKLY,  or SPEEDILY. But at that time SHORTLY meant the exact same thing so the KJV translators used that word. So, at a future point in TIME (EN) Jesus will return in a short time frame, as in God moves quickly, in haste, speedily, and when Jesus is told he will ZOOM (Tachos) to earth and do away with the Anti-Christ and all his evil minions. 

But, I know people who actually have created Major Eschatological Branches of teaching saying that this means Jesus was referring to 70 AD, and we are now living in the Kingdom age now (Preterism) or better yet, some say this means the Seals have all been opened except the 6th Seal, and the Martyrs under the Altar are those who died during the Church Age period. A lot better yet insist almost all of Revelation has been fulfilled, all because, in many cases, ONE WORD stumps them, or leads them down a Rabbit Hole of dee[ proportions. 

Nonetheless, I think the O.P. was pretty clear, he's using the old line Peter spoke about when referring to Jesus' coming, though of course he doesn't discount his coming, he is basically agreeing with them saying we can't really tell when he is coming for us, but we can, the Gospel must go unto the ends pf the earth. So, I destroyed that thesis 2 or 3 times, but no one wants to challenge that,  because they cant, I know my calling and I am up to the challenge, its my job, I should be, and I am. Of course Jesus is coming in my lifetime. I knew that WAT BEFORE I could actually explain it in scriptures as I can now by way of Divine Revelation, when God gives you a vision, and in the Vision a loud booming voice from Heaven tells you, "The Man of Sin is Here" that is all I needed to know, BUT.........as messengers of God we need to show it in scriptures, and I can nail that 7 days week 365 days a year. So, the former Vision gave me my calling, the hard work and prayer gave me my ultimate understandings, at 23 while most were out doing things young guys do I was in prayer in my room all night on Friday and Sat.

By the way, Gd gave me another vision to AFFIRM His first vision was true to me, because He knew it would take over 30 years to all start coming to pass. So, in the mid 80s I was shown Jimmy Swaggart preaching in a HUGE AUDITORIUM, within 2 weeks had fallen from grace with a Prostitute. God was like kicking me, saying, SEE, SEE, SEE, I know all things, NEVER doubt my vision I gave you. And I never have. 

God Bless

 😊

Thank you for your response @Revelation Man

It is quite a lengthy reply. I will endeavour to read it properly, hopefully tomorrow, ...and get back to you.

God bless 😊

Edited May 19, 2022 by B-B

[abcdef]

On 5/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

But, I know people who actually have created Major Eschatological Branches of teaching saying that this means Jesus was referring to 70 AD,

Jesus and the apostles many times, did speak of the 33-70 AD time period the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple. Some mistake the descriptions of 70 the AD ish coming Jesus as God to destroy the temple with second coming for salvation.

The difference is that there was no resurrection at the 70 AD ish coming,

But there is at the second coming for salvation resur/rapt.

Then all of human life on the planet ends in fire.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

and we are now living in the Kingdom age now

The kingdom age is, the age of the gift of the Holy Spirit new covenant Acts 2:38, and it began on Pentecost in 33 AD, the start of the millennium.

The Pentecost gospel kingdom ends when Jesus comes for the kingdom, imminent, at the 7th trumpet, 7th vial, and the Rev 20 fire from heaven, which are all showing the same timeline in parallel.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

(Preterism)

You believe that Jesus died and was resurrected, right? Preterists teach that also. Should you now not believe it because "preterists" teach that?

Preterism and pre-trib are just boxes that some people are put in.

The answers are in the middle. 

You might say that part of the understanding is 70 AD-1967 being the ToG's and the great trib under the Roman beast nation. 

 

On 5/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

or better yet, some say this means the Seals have all been opened except the 6th Seal,

All the seals have been opened, this is shown by Jesus opening the scroll in front of John in the 85 AD-96 ad ish time period. The scroll was opened and revealed to all in 96 AD ish.

The 6th seal is the 70 AD destruction of Jerusalem and the great scattering of Israel, which had to happen before the scroll could be opened. (Dan. 12:6-7)

Trumpets 1-6 have already been blown. The 7th will blow exactly 3 1/2 days after Jerusalem falls to the armies from across the Euphrates. 

Then this planet ends in fire.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

and the Martyrs under the Altar are those who died during the Church Age period.

The 5th seal martyrs are from the first resurrection when Jesus was resurrected in 33 AD, before the Pentecost kingdom began.

Some lived during the time of the Roman beast nation like John the Baptist, who didn't wear the mark of the beast Roman nation. (iron and 4th beast.)

 

On 5/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

A lot better yet insist almost all of Revelation has been fulfilled,

We are at the end of the millennium just before Jerusalem is surrounded and the fire from heaven.

Many believe that there are at least 1007 years before the end of the planet, but no, the fire from heaven will be here after this Jerusalem falls, soon. 

The armies from across the Euphrates are already attacking.

 

On 5/18/2022 at 6:28 PM, Revelation Man said:

all because, in many cases, ONE WORD stumps them, or leads them down a Rabbit Hole of dee[ proportions. 

Ok, what is the one word?