Paul’s Gospel

[WilliamL]

On 6/14/2022 at 2:27 PM, WilliamL said:

On 6/14/2022 at 1:55 PM, WordSword said:

His birth of the Spirit was only related to His physical body...

Correction: it was only related to His soul [nephesh/psuche], not His flesh. 

On 6/15/2022 at 6:05 AM, WordSword said:

I see no need that Christ's soul needed any type work of the Spirit, seeing Christ's nature was always as His--divine (we might be discussing separate issues).

The nephesh is the garment of the human spirit. (The flesh is the garment of the nephesh. 2 Cor. 5:1-4)

Christ needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit in order for It/Him to fully enter into His nephesh, which is a worldly vessel.

In the beginning, God created/bara man (Gen. 1:27), he formed/yatzar man (Gen. 2:7), and He made/asah man (Gen. 1:26).

The Spirit came via the bara ("things...not made of things which are visible," Heb. 11:3); the soul via the yatzar; and the flesh via the asah.

 

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

I think this passage can be explained by the statement that "Christ was fully God and fully human." Through his human mother, He was fully exposed to a sin nature:

Heb. 4:15 For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things just as we are, yet without sin.

I would word it slightly differently. "Through His human mother He was fully exposed to temptation." The sin-nature comes from the man.

12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: .... 17 For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; .... 18 Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19 For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, ... .".

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

This type of reasoning is why Jews reject Christ as being God, and Mormons accept that there are "three Gods." (Father, Son, Spirit.)

Yes. When the other half of the equation is left out .... well ...

[Guest]

17 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Christ needed the baptism of the Holy Spirit in order for It/Him to fully enter into His nephesh, which is a worldly vessel.

Good point, and it's my understanding that Christ's baptism of the Spirt was for power only, e.g. as His birth was by the power of the Spirit.

[JohnR7]

On 6/10/2022 at 11:51 AM, WordSword said:

In my personal assumption the phrase “Paul’s Gospel” is generally the same declaration of the Gospel of Christ that any of the other Apostles would bring forth

We do not need anyone to bring forth anything. Just read the red letters. Read what Jesus said and follow His teachings. Paul teaches a lot from Psalms. David really understood how the law of God was given for our benefit and well being. Paul wants us to live right before God and yet most people say the opposite. Paul teaches we can live good before God. He must be disappointed that the church misses that message today. 

[JohnR7]

20 hours ago, WilliamL said:

This type of reasoning is why Jews reject Christ as being God, and Mormons accept that there are "three Gods." (Father, Son, Spirit.)

No one rejects the (red letter) teachings of Jesus. They reject the teachings of the disciples and followers of Jesus. For example Jesus teaches to do onto others as you would have them do onto you. Everyone accepts this or a facet of this.  For example they will say: do not do to others what you do not want them to do to you. Jesus teaching translates into everyone's teaching.  My moto is do all you can to help others and if you can not help them do all you can not to harm or hurt them. This is another way of looking at the teachings of Jesus.