A most critical truth…..

[Not me]

24 minutes ago, Robtay7123 said:

Hello there and I'm happy to meet you.  Here's my take on that passage.  When we are born again,  God gives us the strength to overcome sin.  However most of the time,  it doesn't happen instantly.  It takes a lifetime for most of us,  but as time goes on it does get easier.  I do think it's clear Paul never had the intent to say we could go without sinning. Not only was he himself never able to do that,  but as far as we know,  neither were the apostles.  The freeing from sin that Paul mentions is primarily free from the penalty of sin ( hence salvation and eternal life ) and in a secondary way,  the freedom to fight sin that we didn't have before. I hope I haven't further confused the issue.  I'm kind of good at that.  Let me know if you want to discuss this further. God Bless.

Hi, glad to meet you also… No worries, your thoughts are not confusing, I see God is alive and at work in you….

May the God we serve fill us with Himself in a new and awesome way…

Be blessed in your serving of Him, a fellow believer, Not me 

[Mike Mclees]

Thank you for your responses and I believe them to be correct as grace is all we have and without grace there is no hope. to lay down and die is to die but to get back up is life to keep on going. 

God bless everyone.  

[Sower]

2 hours ago, Mike Mclees said:

I ask out of curiosity what if a man STROUGLES with certain sin and earnestly prays every day to have his chains removed yet the war keeps overpowering. Im talking of years of habitual weakness.  Any thoughts

Your in good company, Mike. The apostle Paul commented upon this, and claimed he was the chiefest.

When I was about in my 3-4th year as a believer, learning more and more truth,
 struggling, I said almost the same thing you said, Mike.
"I can't do this."
And I found out that was my first baby step in growth, spiritually.
For me, I have to give it all to God. Everything. And (I) still cannot do it.
But in Christ I can do all things. Taking every thought captive, dismissing lies from the enemy,
filling my mind with scripture, whatsoever things are true-pure-just-lovely etc, light,
and remembering that the enemy is already defeated.  I belong to God, the victorious.
I have overcome all in Christ, and I'm dead from Having to sin as I abide in Christ.
Staying in Christ 'presently' is what I mean. This takes prayer, a lot of it during the battle.
I have to seek the "way out" that God always provides, till it becomes habit.
The real battle is in our minds. Flesh has a mind of its own. repeat. The flesh has a mind of it's own.
We have as believers the mind of Christ. This mind (can-should) control our flesh actions.
The holy spirit through WiFi  'advises-instructs-enables-comforts-gives power' if/when you are tuned into Him.
When you abide, as a branch to the vine, you bear fruit, but only when you abide, as John 15 instructs.
It also says we can do nothing

Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit by itself,
unless it abides in the vine, neither can you, unless you abide in me.

Though stumbling, I still run the race.  It's been a long one for me. As Heleadethme said, our focus in battle (with sin) should always be on Jesus, and all the wonder full scripture-truth-light-promises we have at our disposal that He gives us.
I download scripture (light) to my mind, it chases out darkness (lies) Re-programing my faulty corrupted mind.
"Thy word have I hid in mine heart, that I might not sin against thee"
 

"Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths."

I use that one all day, (I have to). I can't do it---but He can----if/when I let Him.
I do the choosing, not the world-flesh-devil. Let go-let God.  (the battle is won in the mind)
The mind of Christ...




 

[Selah7]

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

- Romans 6:1-7 (KJV)

So it seems that Paul is talking about baptism in verse 2 because in verse 3, he continues, saying “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?"

The topic is baptism, which is symbolic proclamation a Christian makes after believing in Jesus Christ—being baptized into His death and resurrection. Then in verse 4, Paul says that baptism "burys the old man" so that we can "walk in newness of life." … However, because we still have a flesh body, we will still fall short of God's glory after baptism. This is the time to repent and confess our sins to God and seek forgiveness. …And He promises that we will be forgiven.

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

- Psalm 103:12 (KJV)

…selah 

 

[Not me]

16 minutes ago, Selah7 said:

What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.

- Romans 6:1-7 (KJV)

So it seems that Paul is talking about baptism in verse 2 because in verse 3, he continues, saying “Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into His death?"

The topic is baptism, which is symbolic proclamation a Christian makes after believing in Jesus Christ—being baptized into His death and resurrection. Then in verse 4, Paul says that baptism "burys the old man" so that we can "walk in newness of life." … However, because we still have a flesh body, we will still fall short of God's glory after baptism. This is the time to repent and confess our sins to God and seek forgiveness. …And He promises that we will be forgiven.

As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.

- Psalm 103:12 (KJV)

…selah 

 

As the Spirit of Christ so teaches you Himself, may you be blessed…

Unto Him be our all….

Not me