A Mis - Understood Topic: Timing of the Rapture

[AdHoc]

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

No such thing as a pre-trib rapture found in scripture as you suggest, it's a fabricated fairy tale of man, namely John N. Darby 1830's and C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference Bible, better known as dispensationalism

Darby might have been wrong. But you expose yourself when you call it a "fabricated fairy tale". The doctrine is well researched and thought through and has so much merit that tens of thousands of astute Bible students embrace it. Darby might be wrong, and so all these astute students will also be wrong, but "fabricated fairy tale" .... That says something else.

[iamlamad]

3 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Now that is an interesting concept on an orthodox Bible Forum - a Jewish Tree of Salvation.

Did you not read Paul about Gentiles as wild branches being "grafted in?"

Jesus also said that "salvation is of the Jews."

Was not Jesus Himself a Jew?

Just saying...

[iamlamad]

4 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

No disparaging whatsoever, you made a claim of a pre-trib rapture that's found no place in scripture, I don't expect you to post scripture to support your claim because none exist's

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

If you have not found it yet, you are lost somewhere in the wrong scriptures. God is pretrib, so the rapture will be pretrib. 

[AdHoc]

7 minutes ago, iamlamad said:

Did you not read Paul about Gentiles as wild branches being "grafted in?"

Jesus also said that "salvation is of the Jews."

Was not Jesus Himself a Jew?

Just saying...

Aaahhh brother. You said you get to heaven via a Gate (pearly). None of the Gates are an Olive Tree or Jesus. They are a Tribe. You effectively said that salvation and entry into heaven is via a Tribe of Jews.

But no sweat brother. I think we were both being flippant. Let's smile and leave this for another day.

[iamlamad]

12 hours ago, Marilyn C said:

The judgment scroll is an overview of the tribulation. And the great multitude that no one can count, will be taken out of the great tribulation as God`s word tells us. it is a preview of what would happen. 

 

There is simply no hint that it is a "preview." John saw them at this time in the vision so wrote that He saw them at that time in the vision. 

I believe we can trust John and the Holy Spirit that caused Him to write, and God who gave the vision, that John saw that great crowd in heaven on John and God's timeline BEFORE John (and the Holy Spirit) started the 70th week - much less arrived at the midpoint of the week (in chapter 11.)

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The judgment scroll is an overview of the tribulation

John tells us that once the book is opened, the first events to happen are the trumpet judgments. He then tells us that at the 7th trumpet, the kingdoms of the world are taken from Satan (who usurped them from Adam) and given to Jesus Christ. Therefore, this book must have something to do with the earth lease given to Adam. I cannot prove this, but according to ancient Jewish sages, man (starting with Adam) was to rule the earth for 6000 years, and God was to rule earth for the 7th thousand years. I think Revelation proves this.

This tells me that God will sound the 7th trumpet when Adam's 6000 year lease is up. Suddenly Satan has no more legal hold to anything so is cast down (The war in heaven in Rev. 12).

I suspect that the entire 70th week that ENDS the Jewish age is what is written inside the book. Therefore I partly agree with your statement. John does not write it, but I am convinced the book is opened when the 7th seal is opened, so the first trumpet judgment is what is written inside the book.

[Montana Marv]

8 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

No disparaging whatsoever, you made a claim of a pre-trib rapture that's found no place in scripture, I don't expect you to post scripture to support your claim because none exist's

In Love, Jesus Is The Lord

If one looks at the original post there is no Scripture that can support any claims: Pre, Mid, Pre Wrath, or Post Rapture positions. None can be found in Scripture.  If you can find anything about Mid, Pre Wrath or Post Rapture event timings, you then are in error; If you find one or many Scriptures, then one/you must believe that the Word was not established "in the beginning", which means all of the Word was established then.  Yet the Son has said that only God the Father has knowledge of when the Bridegroom will come for the Bride.  Can you find a Mid or Post position in Scripture, if you do, you are dead wrong.  The Son/Word does not know.  Only the Father as stated by the Word/Scripture.  A Mid, Pre Wrath or Post position was invented by some human in years of past.  So do some peddle these false narratives above.  Yes, to tickle some peoples ears.

Only two clues;  "As in the days of Noah before the Flood"; and watch and be ready.  We have been in "as in the days of Noah for many years now.  A lot of partying going on now.

You give me and Mid or Post supporting Scripture, and I will say you believe in Scripture that is ever changing and not Absolute from the Beginning.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[truth7t7]

9 hours ago, AdHoc said:

No. If you read Galatians Chapter 2 you will see that the twelve were sent to the CIRCUMCISION (vs.7-9). In the same Chapter, Paul is sent to the UNCIRCUMCISION. James 1:1 tells the truth. James writes to the CIRCUMCISION. 

The twelve Tribes REJECT Jesus - vehemently, as they did Moses. The twelve Tribes energetically persecuted and murdered the followers of Jesus. They still do today. The twelve Tribes called for Caesar as their king and for Jesus' blood to their and their children's account. The twelve Tribes are presently cut out of the Olive Tree. The twelve Tribes are under chastisement since the Assyrian deportation. God left their Temple "desolate" (Matt.23:38). He caused their city to be burned. The curses of Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 are still being seen today.

The twelve Tribes came from Jacob's loins - the Church came from incorruptible seed (1st Pet.1:23).

James was writing to "The Church" those who have the "Faith Of Jesus Christ"

"The Church" is the 12 tribes scattered abroad in James 1:1

James 2:1KJV

My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.

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[truth7t7]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

If one looks at the original post there is no Scripture that can support any claims: Pre, Mid, Pre Wrath, or Post Rapture positions. None can be found in Scripture.  If you can find anything about Mid, Pre Wrath or Post Rapture event timings, you then are in error; If you find one or many Scriptures, then one/you must believe that the Word was not established "in the beginning", which means all of the Word was established then.  Yet the Son has said that only God the Father has knowledge of when the Bridegroom will come for the Bride.  Can you find a Mid or Post position in Scripture, if you do, you are dead wrong.  The Son/Word does not know.  Only the Father as stated by the Word/Scripture.  A Mid, Pre Wrath or Post position was invented by some human in years of past.  So do some peddle these false narratives above.  Yes, to tickle some peoples ears.

Only two clues;  "As in the days of Noah before the Flood"; and watch and be ready.  We have been in "as in the days of Noah for many years now.  A lot of partying going on now.

You give me and Mid or Post supporting Scripture, and I will say you believe in Scripture that is ever changing and not Absolute from the Beginning.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Scripture is very clear, Jesus returns "Immeduately After The Tribulation"

Matthew 24:29-30KJV

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

[truth7t7]

9 hours ago, AdHoc said:

Darby might have been wrong. But you expose yourself when you call it a "fabricated fairy tale". The doctrine is well researched and thought through and has so much merit that tens of thousands of astute Bible students embrace it. Darby might be wrong, and so all these astute students will also be wrong, but "fabricated fairy tale" .... That says something else.

"Yes" a man made fabricated fairy tale, John N. Darby 1830's, C.I. Scofield 1909 reference Bible, Lewis S. Chafer Dallas Theological and it's Alumni, Hal Lindsey, Tim LA Haye, J. Vernon McGee, Thomas Ice, Chuck Swindoll, David Jeremiah, Charles Ryrie, just to mention a few

Dispensationalism does nothing more than taket the second coming seen throughout scripture, and claim it's a pre-tribute rapture, with 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 being a prime example

Jesus Is The Lord 

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