If the Creator always gave someone good Bible verses without them being considered Bible scholars, and always revealed a lot of insight to them concerning the Bible, and then they lost their soul, did they ever belong to him to begin with?

[Jayne]

Brother, if you belong to God, to Christ - you cannot "lose" your soul.  Jesus Christ said this in John chapter 10:  " I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.  My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."

Are you a Christian?  Have you surrendered your life to Christ and his Lordship?  Confessed your sins to God?  Do you believe profess that God raised Jesus from the dead?

In other words, have you been born again or saved, as some put it?

Then, the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 1 that God has set his "seal" on us.  That's important to understand.  And it says that God has set the Holy Spirit upon us as a "deposit" that "guarantees" what is to come.

I'm not quite understanding what it is you are troubled about.  Maybe it's me.  

[Who me]

2 hours ago, TreeFivew said:

If the person would always find verses related to their current issues, while reading unrelated verses, without even trying hard, did they ever belong to the Creator, if it seemed as though they were guided to those verses. What do you think?

What counts is how they lived. Where they regular attending to church?

Did their lifestyle show the fruits of the spirit?

 

Just because they have a superstious regard towards the bible does not make them Christian.

We only know by how people live, if they never attend church, don't follow Christian morality, don't mix with or support Christian charities etc literally what evidence is there that they are Christian.

 

They can find a verse that supporyts them, big deal, do they find verses that challenge and rebuke them?

That would  be different, but then you say they have lost their soul, so they where never Christian in the first place.

Jesus does not loose those who are his.

[TreeFivew]

12 minutes ago, Who me said:

What counts is how they lived. Where they regular attending to church?

Did their lifestyle show the fruits of the spirit?

 

Just because they have a superstious regard towards the bible does not make them Christian.

We only know by how people live, if they never attend church, don't follow Christian morality, don't mix with or support Christian charities etc literally what evidence is there that they are Christian.

 

They can find a verse that supporyts them, big deal, do they find verses that challenge and rebuke them?

That would  be different, but then you say they have lost their soul, so they where never Christian in the first place.

Jesus does not loose those who are his.

Thanks for your reply.

[missmuffet]

3 hours ago, TreeFivew said:

What do you think?

I will go with this:

What does it mean to gain the whole world but lose your soul?

https://www.gotquestions.org

ANSWER

In Matthew 16, Jesus asks what good it is for a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul (Matthew 16:26). To gain the whole world is to receive all the world has to offer—money, fame, pleasure, power, prestige, etc. To lose one’s soul is to die without a right relationship with Christ and spend an eternity in the lake of fire.

In the context of His rhetorical question, the Lord was predicting His suffering and death and resurrection (Matthew 16:21). When Peter resisted His teaching, Jesus rebuked him and said, “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns” (verse 23). Jesus then spoke to the crowd and reminded them that there was nothing worth more than one’s own eternal soul. Rejecting Christ might mean temporary, earthly gains, but it comes at the worst possible price.

The Jewish people had been waiting for a Promised One for many centuries. Most expected that this Messiah would be a military leader or a king like David or Solomon. Jesus’ disciples recognized that He was the One whom the prophets had predicted. However, Jesus did not speak about conquering with an army or by taking over the government. Instead, Jesus taught that the Messiah would suffer and die at the hands of men.

Just before He asks, “What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?” Jesus says that, in order to truly follow Christ, people must be willing to “deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me” (Matthew 16:24). To take up one’s cross is a reference to being condemned to die. Jesus’ statement is symbolic of a total, final commitment.

In other words, one needs to be willing to give up everything in order to be a follower of Jesus Christ. Worldly suffering shouldn’t be a deterrent. This is the context of Jesus’ question, “What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?” If a person rejects Jesus and becomes the richest, most powerful person on earth, he has still made a poor decision. Sooner or later, earthly things will fade away. And that person will have lost the only part of himself that lasts forever. The day of reckoning is coming: “For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done” (Matthew 16:27).

There is nothing more valuable than a person’s soul. To trade that away is the epitome of foolishness. When a person chooses to embrace this world instead of heaven, he is forfeiting his soul. If a person rejects Christ for the sake of anything in this life, he will lose his soul. Esau despised his birthright, choosing stew instead; Judas sold the Savior for a few pieces of silver; Demas loved this present world and forsook the ministry. All three men thought they were gaining something but actually lost everything.

Edited July 4, 2022 by missmuffet

[TreeFivew]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I will go with this:

What does it mean to gain the whole world but lose your soul?

https://www.gotquestions.org

ANSWER

In Matthew 16, Jesus asks what good it is for a man to gain the whole world but lose his soul (Matthew 16:26). To gain the whole world is to receive all the world has to offer—money, fame, pleasure, power, prestige, etc. To lose one’s soul is to die without a right relationship with Christ and spend an eternity in the lake of fire.

In the context of His rhetorical question, the Lord was predicting His suffering and death and resurrection (Matthew 16:21). When Peter resisted His teaching, Jesus rebuked him and said, “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns” (verse 23). Jesus then spoke to the crowd and reminded them that there was nothing worth more than one’s own eternal soul. Rejecting Christ might mean temporary, earthly gains, but it comes at the worst possible price.

The Jewish people had been waiting for a Promised One for many centuries. Most expected that this Messiah would be a military leader or a king like David or Solomon. Jesus’ disciples recognized that He was the One whom the prophets had predicted. However, Jesus did not speak about conquering with an army or by taking over the government. Instead, Jesus taught that the Messiah would suffer and die at the hands of men.

Just before He asks, “What good will it be for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?” Jesus says that, in order to truly follow Christ, people must be willing to “deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me” (Matthew 16:24). To take up one’s cross is a reference to being condemned to die. Jesus’ statement is symbolic of a total, final commitment.

In other words, one needs to be willing to give up everything in order to be a follower of Jesus Christ. Worldly suffering shouldn’t be a deterrent. This is the context of Jesus’ question, “What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul?” If a person rejects Jesus and becomes the richest, most powerful person on earth, he has still made a poor decision. Sooner or later, earthly things will fade away. And that person will have lost the only part of himself that lasts forever. The day of reckoning is coming: “For the Son of Man is going to come in his Father’s glory with his angels, and then he will reward each person according to what they have done” (Matthew 16:27).

There is nothing more valuable than a person’s soul. To trade that away is the epitome of foolishness. When a person chooses to embrace this world instead of heaven, he is forfeiting his soul. If a person rejects Christ for the sake of anything in this life, he will lose his soul. Esau despised his birthright, choosing stew instead; Judas sold the Savior for a few pieces of silver; Demas loved this present world and forsook the ministry. All three men thought they were gaining something but actually lost everything.

If the person feels guilt about losing their soul have they lost it?

[TreeFivew]

4 minutes ago, TreeFivew said:

If the person feels guilt about losing their soul have they lost it?

 

2 hours ago, Jayne said:

Brother, if you belong to God, to Christ - you cannot "lose" your soul.  Jesus Christ said this in John chapter 10:  " I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand.  My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand."

Are you a Christian?  Have you surrendered your life to Christ and his Lordship?  Confessed your sins to God?  Do you believe profess that God raised Jesus from the dead?

In other words, have you been born again or saved, as some put it?

Then, the Bible says in 2 Corinthians 1 that God has set his "seal" on us.  That's important to understand.  And it says that God has set the Holy Spirit upon us as a "deposit" that "guarantees" what is to come.

I'm not quite understanding what it is you are troubled about.  Maybe it's me.  

Actually, I’m a female, but it’s a long story.

[Jayne]

6 minutes ago, TreeFivew said:

If the person feels guilt about losing their soul have they lost it?

Sorry I called you brother. 

OK, sister.  Let me ask you this.  Are you a Christian?  Have you been saved - born again?  That's important in answering this question you have here.

 

[missmuffet]

10 minutes ago, TreeFivew said:

If the person feels guilt about losing their soul have they lost it?

Are you a Christian?

[TreeFivew]

I don’t believe in denominations.  I’ve been a believer.

[Marathoner]

It would be good if you were to consider, and then answer, the question @Alive posed to you. Here it is again:
 

2 hours ago, Alive said:

Is this what you are struggling with? Whether or not being born from above can be undone?

Be wary of feelings and what seems right to the eyes, @TreeFivew. How can you lose your soul if it never belonged to you in the first place? All souls belong to the Lord; even the soul of the sinner belongs to Him (Ezekiel 18:4).  

How can a man judge his fellow when he doesn't understand himself? For now, we see through a glass darkly (1 Corinthians 13), so it's clear that we don't know as we are known by the Lord at this present time. I have been blessed to witness those who were judged as apostates --- declared that they were never Christians in the first place by their fellows --- raised up by Jesus Christ at the conclusion of their trials and tribulation. The scripture assures us that "It is through many tribulations that we must enter the kingdom of God" (Acts 14:22), so woe to the unrighteous judge who condemns from ignorance. The measure by which they judge will be returned to them (Matthew 7). We stand or fall by the Lord alone, and He is indeed able to make us stand. The words of the apostle:

Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. (Romans 14:4 NASB)

And the words of Agur from Proverbs 30,

Do not slander a slave to his master,
Or he will curse you and you will be found guilty.
(Proverbs 30:10 NASB)

So, are you this person referred to in the title of this topic?